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Death Penalty execution in California stayed by doctors' refusals to assist
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Pumba
2006-02-22 17:03:43 UTC
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Only Nazis kill people in cold blood.

Only Nazi nations support having a death penalty.

Do you support the death penalty?

If so, look in the mirror. Take a good hard long look at a Nazi. That's what
a Nazi looks like. YOU. Doesn't matter if you're Jewish. You're still of
the same mentality of a Nazi if you want others killed in cold blood.

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Barbara Christian, the mother of Morales' victim, said she was angry and
disappointed by yet another postponement, which prison officials said would
last indefinitely.

"We just want to get this out of our heads and out of our lives," said
Christian. "The whole justice system, it's ridiculous... The victims are
going through more pain than the murderer."

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Barbara, I have the following to say to you:

You will never get over what that man did to your daughter. Never.

He is a monster for doing that.

You will never "move on" from this. It'll always be with you.

What happens to the killer should be divorced from your mind. Leave it in
the hands of God, if you believe in God. Or leave it to the Universe, if you
prefer that metaphor.

Just let it go what happens to him. It's not your problem anymore.

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One of Morales' attorneys, Ben Weston, said the delay "goes a long way
toward demonstrating the state doesn't have its ducks in a row for humanely
killing a human being. They haven't figured out how to do it."

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There is no way to humanely kill a man in cold blood.

It's wrong.

It's wrong what he did to the 17yo girl.

It's wrong to kill him.

A wrongful death cannot be rectified. It's not undoable. It's not atoneable.

I wonder how long it will take before Americans realise that having the
death penalty is a human rights violation?

Time to grow the FUCK up as a NATION, America!

You're behind South Africa even.

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Doctors' Doubts Put Off Calif. Execution
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060222/ap_on_re_us/california_execution

By LISA LEFF, Associated Press Writer 19 minutes ago

SAN QUENTIN, Calif. - A convicted killer's execution was postponed for the
second time in less than a day amid continuing concerns over the
constitutionality of the state's lethal injection policy.
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An hour before Michael Morales was to be strapped to a gurney in the death
chamber at San Quentin Prison, officials called off the execution, saying
they could not comply with a judge's recent order to have a medical provider
administer the fatal dose of barbiturate.

"We were not able to find a licensed professional that was willing to inject
medication intravenously, ending the life of a human being," San Quentin
spokesman Vernell Crittendon said Tuesday evening.

Morales, who was sent to death row for torturing, raping and murdering a
17-year-old girl, originally was supposed to be executed just after midnight
Monday. The warden had to suspend that plan when a pair of anesthesiologists
who were hired to make sure Morales did not feel any pain balked at the last
minute.

Both snags stemmed from a federal judge's order requiring the state to
change the way it carries out lethal injections. Like 35 other states,
California in the past gave its prisoners three separate drugs — one to
relax them, another to paralyze them and a third to stop their hearts.

Ruling earlier this month on a defense motion that the procedure ran afoul
of the Eighth Amendment's ban on cruel and unusual punishment, U.S. District
Judge Jeremy Fogel gave officials a choice: either bring in doctors to
ensure Morales was properly anesthetized, or skip the usual paralyzing and
heart-stopping drugs and execute him with an overdose of a sedative.

The state initially elected to go with the first option, but ran into
trouble when the two anesthesiologists backed out. They said they were
uncomfortable taking a more active role in the execution because they might
have to order more sedative if the initial dose did not put Morales
completely out.

Prison officials rescheduled the execution for Tuesday night after settling
on the second choice — killing Morales with a single injection of the
sedative. No other state executes inmates under that procedure, which would
take about half an hour to work compared to about 10 minutes with the
three-drug method.

Fogel approved that plan Tuesday afternoon, but said the sedative must be
administered in the execution chamber by a person who was licensed by the
state to inject medications intravenously, a group that includes doctors,
nurses, dentists and other medical technicians.

Yet with only hours to go before the death warrant on Morales expired at
11:59 p.m., San Quentin could not find a licensed professional despite
"exploring all the options available," Crittendon said.

Barbara Christian, the mother of Morales' victim, said she was angry and
disappointed by yet another postponement, which prison officials said would
last indefinitely.

"We just want to get this out of our heads and out of our lives," said
Christian. "The whole justice system, it's ridiculous... The victims are
going through more pain than the murderer."

One of Morales' attorneys, Ben Weston, said the delay "goes a long way
toward demonstrating the state doesn't have its ducks in a row for humanely
killing a human being. They haven't figured out how to do it."
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Dr Tormento
2006-02-22 21:26:37 UTC
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Post by Pumba
Only Nazis kill people in cold blood.
Godwin's Law kicks in after just two words. <kill thread>
Pumba
2006-02-23 15:42:49 UTC
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Post by Pumba
Only Nazis kill people in cold blood.
Godwin's Law kicks in after just two words. <kill thread>
only a Nazi would invoke Godwin's law.
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T***@Chappaquiddick.Bridge
2006-02-23 00:06:21 UTC
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Post by Pumba
Only Nazis kill people in cold blood.
Godwin invoked. You lose. Then liberals are Nazis as they murder innocent
babies and defend the lives of criminal scum. See figure 1.
Post by Pumba
Only Nazi nations support having a death penalty.
Godwin invoked. You lose. See figure 1
Post by Pumba
Do you support the death penalty?
Fucking A I do. I support retroactive abortion in your case too.
Godwin invoked. You lose. See figure 1
Post by Pumba
There is no way to humanely kill a man in cold blood.
The scumbag cretin that tortured, raped & murdered a 17 year old girl is no
man. It is an animal and should be put to death as humanely as it put to
death an innocent girl. See figure 1
Post by Pumba
It's wrong.
It's wrong to torture, rape & murder the innocent. See figure 1.
Post by Pumba
It's wrong what he did to the 17yo girl.
Welcome to the real world, Einstein. See figure 1.
Post by Pumba
It's wrong to kill him.
It's wrong to kill him humanely. Cut his nutsack off with a chain saw,
stuff it in his mouth, then put that chainsaw right through his friggin'
chest. 'Nuff said. Next! See figure 1.
Post by Pumba
A wrongful death cannot be rectified. It's not undoable. It's not atoneable.
Then asswipe should have thought about that before it tortured, raped &
murdered a 17 year old girl. See figure 1.
Post by Pumba
I wonder how long it will take before Americans realise that having the
death penalty is a human rights violation?
What about the human rights of the victim, or does that not count for
anything? See figure 1.
Post by Pumba
Time to grow the FUCK up as a NATION, America!
Fuck off asswipe. Go climb a tree with the rest of the animals in ZA land.
See figure 1.
Post by Pumba
You're behind South Africa even.
South Africa is the asshole of the planet and when judgment day comes,
that's where God will put the enema bag to flush out the planet. Still
putting flaming tires around people's necks there or have you come up with
other ways to kill each other off?

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Pumba
2006-02-23 16:06:21 UTC
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Post by T***@Chappaquiddick.Bridge
Post by Pumba
Only Nazis kill people in cold blood.
Godwin invoked. You lose.
Godwin's law has been revoked. globally.

You can't use it as a defence anymore.
Post by T***@Chappaquiddick.Bridge
Then liberals are Nazis as they murder innocent
babies and defend the lives of criminal scum. See figure 1.
i'm anti-abortion. only Nazi's butcher the unborn.
Post by T***@Chappaquiddick.Bridge
Post by Pumba
Do you support the death penalty?
Fucking A I do.
then you are a Nazi.
Post by T***@Chappaquiddick.Bridge
I support retroactive abortion in your case too.
You are a Nazi.
Post by T***@Chappaquiddick.Bridge
Post by Pumba
There is no way to humanely kill a man in cold blood.
The scumbag cretin that tortured, raped & murdered a 17 year old girl is no
man.
yes, he is a man. only Nazis redefine human beings as sub-human.

You are a Nazi.

you can't hide behind mythical Usenet laws as a defence.
Post by T***@Chappaquiddick.Bridge
It is an animal and should be put to death as humanely as it put to
death an innocent girl.
You are a Nazi.

You haven't got debate. All you have is Nazi rhetoric.

retribution is a Nazi moral. it's a Nazi value.

retribution accomplishes absolutely nothing except more destruction.

retribution is part of the problem. it solves nothing. it merely worsens the
problem.
Post by T***@Chappaquiddick.Bridge
Post by Pumba
It's wrong.
It's wrong to torture, rape & murder the innocent.
Yes. But what can you do about it? It's happened already. You cannot undo it.
Post by T***@Chappaquiddick.Bridge
Post by Pumba
It's wrong what he did to the 17yo girl.
Welcome to the real world, Einstein.
No, you welcome to the real world.

I have an understanding of reality that is incredibly deep.

You will never approach my understanding.

You simply were not gifted with the requisite intelligence.
Post by T***@Chappaquiddick.Bridge
Post by Pumba
It's wrong to kill him.
It's wrong to kill him humanely. Cut his nutsack off with a chain saw,
stuff it in his mouth, then put that chainsaw right through his friggin'
chest. 'Nuff said. Next!
Yes, you are a Nazi.

Killing him accomplishes absolutely nothing.

Fact is, if you were the one tasked to do what you described to him, you
couldn't do it.

And if you forced yourself to do it, you would be so emotionally scarred for
the rest of your life, that it would be as if you were a different person.

Think, goddamit! If you fucking can!

Why the fuck do u think those doctors can't inject him?

Because ACTUALLY killing a man is the most cruel punishment you can
administer to YOURSELF.
Post by T***@Chappaquiddick.Bridge
Post by Pumba
A wrongful death cannot be rectified. It's not undoable. It's not atoneable.
Then asswipe should have thought about that before it tortured, raped &
murdered a 17 year old girl.
This is what Nazis do - live in the past.

This has nothing to do with what he did. That cannot be changed, so it is
useless to discuss it as if it could.

The only thing under discussion is what should be done to him.

And the only acceptable answer is to keep him alive. Do not kill him.

You must not kill.
Post by T***@Chappaquiddick.Bridge
Post by Pumba
I wonder how long it will take before Americans realise that having the
death penalty is a human rights violation?
What about the human rights of the victim, or does that not count for
anything?
They're dead, along with her. They no longer apply.

The only thing to consider is his human rights.

Human rights are ABSOLUTE. You cannot forfeit them.

It is wrong to kill. PERIOD.

What part of that do you NOT understand?
Post by T***@Chappaquiddick.Bridge
Post by Pumba
Time to grow the FUCK up as a NATION, America!
Fuck off asswipe. Go climb a tree with the rest of the animals in ZA land.
I am your intellectual superior.

You acknowledged that with your post which contained nothing but stupid drivel.

How does it feel to be less intelligent than a person living in a third
world country?

Do you think you can prove that you are in fact a superior person?

Please try. I enjoy challenges.
Post by T***@Chappaquiddick.Bridge
Post by Pumba
You're behind South Africa even.
South Africa is the asshole of the planet and when judgment day comes,
that's where God will put the enema bag to flush out the planet. Still
putting flaming tires around people's necks there or have you come up with
other ways to kill each other off?
South Africa has a better constitution than the US has.

And superior people.

The US has always been a more racist country than South Africa ever was.

The average US citizen is more fascist than our most right wing political
movements.

in this case, Movement = bowel movement.
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T***@Chappaquiddick.Bridge
2006-02-24 01:41:52 UTC
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Post by T***@Chappaquiddick.Bridge
Post by Pumba
Only Nazis kill people in cold blood.
Godwin invoked. You lose.
Godwin's law has been revoked. globally.
Says who? an ass-wiping Greenpeacer like you?
Post by Pumba
You can't use it as a defence anymore.
You can't use it as a charge anymore.
Post by Pumba
Post by T***@Chappaquiddick.Bridge
Then liberals are Nazis as they murder innocent
babies and defend the lives of criminal scum. See figure 1.
i'm anti-abortion. only Nazi's butcher the unborn.
Finally, something we can agree on.
Post by Pumba
Post by T***@Chappaquiddick.Bridge
Post by Pumba
Do you support the death penalty?
Fucking A I do.
then you are a Nazi.
You are a bung-reaming jungle savage.
Post by Pumba
Post by T***@Chappaquiddick.Bridge
I support retroactive abortion in your case too.
You are a Nazi.
You are a bung-reaming jungle savage.
Post by Pumba
Post by T***@Chappaquiddick.Bridge
Post by Pumba
There is no way to humanely kill a man in cold blood.
The scumbag cretin that tortured, raped & murdered a 17 year old girl is no
man.
yes, he is a man. only Nazis redefine human beings as sub-human.
You are a Nazi.
You are a bung-reaming jungle savage.
Post by Pumba
you can't hide behind mythical Usenet laws as a defence.
Post by T***@Chappaquiddick.Bridge
It is an animal and should be put to death as humanely as it put to
death an innocent girl.
You are a Nazi.
You are a bung-reaming jungle savage.
Post by Pumba
You haven't got debate. All you have is Nazi rhetoric.
You haven't got debate. All you have is Nazi rhetoric.
Post by Pumba
retribution is a Nazi moral. it's a Nazi value.
Retribution pre-dates the Nazi's. Ever heard of Hammurabi's Code?
Post by Pumba
retribution accomplishes absolutely nothing except more destruction.
It prevents further destruction. Lifers have murdered prison guards, having
nothing to fear for further sentencing. Putting the fuckers down would have
saved lives.
Post by Pumba
retribution is part of the problem. it solves nothing. it merely worsens the
problem.
Then you can gladly take all of America's death-row and life-sentence
prisoners. In fact, Africa can become the world's outsourced penal colony.
It worked for England to found Australia as a prison colony.
Post by Pumba
Post by T***@Chappaquiddick.Bridge
Post by Pumba
It's wrong.
It's wrong to torture, rape & murder the innocent.
Yes. But what can you do about it? It's happened already. You cannot undo it.
Kill the fucker that did it. He won't be a repeat offender. Next!
Post by Pumba
Post by T***@Chappaquiddick.Bridge
Post by Pumba
It's wrong what he did to the 17yo girl.
Welcome to the real world, Einstein.
No, you welcome to the real world.
I have an understanding of reality that is incredibly deep.
You have a warped sense of reality from chasing zebras for dinner.
Post by Pumba
You will never approach my understanding.
Unless I had a full-frontal lobotomy.
Post by Pumba
You simply were not gifted with the requisite intelligence.
I was gifted with superior intelligence. I don't live in a third-world
shithole of a continent called "Africa" where savages murder each other with
flaming tire "necklaces" or spears, I don't steal farmland from productive
farmers to give it to lazy, shiftless jungle savages that won't produce a
bit of the crops needed to feed your sorry asses, I don't mutilate women's
genitalia with circumcisions using sharpened flint.
Post by Pumba
Post by T***@Chappaquiddick.Bridge
Post by Pumba
It's wrong to kill him.
It's wrong to kill him humanely. Cut his nutsack off with a chain saw,
stuff it in his mouth, then put that chainsaw right through his friggin'
chest. 'Nuff said. Next!
Yes, you are a Nazi.
You are a bung-reaming jungle savage.
Post by Pumba
Killing him accomplishes absolutely nothing.
It prevents the fucker from raping and murdering another innocent child.
Post by Pumba
Fact is, if you were the one tasked to do what you described to him, you
couldn't do it.
I would do it and do a happy dance afterward. In fact I would also run the
popcorn concession stand.
Post by Pumba
And if you forced yourself to do it, you would be so emotionally scarred for
the rest of your life, that it would be as if you were a different person.
I would think of the blessed peace it would give to the family of the victim
he so savagely murdered.
Post by Pumba
Think, goddamit! If you fucking can!
Get your fucking African head out of your ass and clean the shit out of your
eyes. Did that girl deserve to die? No. Where's your sympathy for the
victims and their families and THEIR human rights?
Post by Pumba
Why the fuck do u think those doctors can't inject him?
Because they're liberal pussies in the land of fruits, nuts and flakes, the
People's Republik of Kalifornia. You can have Kalifornia.
Post by Pumba
Because ACTUALLY killing a man is the most cruel punishment you can
administer to YOURSELF.
I suppose you would have given Saddam Hussein a rim job instead of yanking
his ass from a spider hole and tossing him in prison. I guess you look up to
a "man" that had innocent people tossed alive into plastic shredders.
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Post by T***@Chappaquiddick.Bridge
Post by Pumba
A wrongful death cannot be rectified. It's not undoable. It's not atoneable.
Then asswipe should have thought about that before it tortured, raped &
murdered a 17 year old girl.
This is what Nazis do - live in the past.
Then get over it and go back to chasing zebras.
Post by Pumba
This has nothing to do with what he did. That cannot be changed, so it is
useless to discuss it as if it could.
The only thing under discussion is what should be done to him.
And the only acceptable answer is to keep him alive. Do not kill him.
Then YOU take him into your home.
Post by Pumba
You must not kill.
Tell that to the rapist fucker awaiting a death cocktail for torturing,
raping & murdering a 17 year old girl.
Post by Pumba
Post by T***@Chappaquiddick.Bridge
Post by Pumba
I wonder how long it will take before Americans realise that having the
death penalty is a human rights violation?
What about the human rights of the victim, or does that not count for
anything?
They're dead, along with her. They no longer apply.
The only thing to consider is his human rights.
He's not human, he forfeited his rights. If you're so concerned about his
right, why not take him and the rest of the death row prisoners into your
grass hut? Maybe have him babysit your children while you're swinging from
vines?
Post by Pumba
Human rights are ABSOLUTE. You cannot forfeit them.
It is wrong to kill. PERIOD.
Tell that to the rapist fucker awaiting a death cocktail for torturing,
raping & murdering a 17 year old girl.
Post by Pumba
What part of that do you NOT understand?
The part where my heart is supposed to bleed for the rapist fucker awaiting
a death cocktail for torturing, raping & murdering a 17 year old girl and
not the dead girl and her family.
Post by Pumba
Post by T***@Chappaquiddick.Bridge
Post by Pumba
Time to grow the FUCK up as a NATION, America!
Fuck off asswipe. Go climb a tree with the rest of the animals in ZA land.
I am your intellectual superior.
You are a pimple on a gnat's ass. You don't have the brains that God gave a
box of cake mix. I've seen more intelligence in cat turds than has been
expressed in your pro-rapist diatribe.
Post by Pumba
You acknowledged that with your post which contained nothing but stupid drivel.
As opposed to yours which bleeds for a piece of shit murderer. Take him into
your house, sand monkey.
Post by Pumba
How does it feel to be less intelligent than a person living in a third
world country?
I'm not you so I wouldn't be in that position.
Post by Pumba
Do you think you can prove that you are in fact a superior person?
I do that every day. I don't have to chase my food with a spear, I don't
burn farms because white farmers are there, I don't circumcise women, and I
don't live in Mandellaville, where everything turned to shit once Nelson &
Winnie took over.
Post by Pumba
Please try. I enjoy challenges.
You enjoy supporting a murderer and spitting on a victim's grave. Being a
member of the human race is challenging enough for you.
Post by Pumba
Post by T***@Chappaquiddick.Bridge
Post by Pumba
You're behind South Africa even.
South Africa is the asshole of the planet and when judgment day comes,
that's where God will put the enema bag to flush out the planet. Still
putting flaming tires around people's necks there or have you come up with
other ways to kill each other off?
South Africa has a better constitution than the US has.
Where's your Second Amendment and the right to keep and bear arms? Where's
your right to self-defense?
Post by Pumba
And superior people.
Gee, isn't that superior-people shit "Nazi thinking"? You're a Nazi!
Post by Pumba
The US has always been a more racist country than South Africa ever was.
Including racists Louis Farrakhan, Jesse Jackson, Harry Belafonte, Al
Sharpton, Sheila Jackson Lee, Spike Lee, etc? Remember, it was black
Africans that sold black slaves to the Dutch. And "Apartheid" is also a
product of your history, and ended far more recently than over here.
Post by Pumba
The average US citizen is more fascist than our most right wing political
movements.
Democrats are fascists. Republicans voted to end slavery and support the
Civil Rights act of the 1960's, an act opposed by Al Gore's Democrat father
and Democrat Robert KKK Byrd, former Grand Dragon of the Klan and leader of
the Democrats.
Post by Pumba
in this case, Movement = bowel movement.
A staple of the typical African diet and your posts.

*plonk*
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Pumba
2006-02-24 11:58:04 UTC
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Only Nazis kill people in cold blood.
Godwin invoked. You lose.
Godwin's law has been revoked. globally.
Says who? an ass-wiping Greenpeacer like you?
Yes. I have the authority to revoke Godwin's Law.
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Post by Pumba
You can't use it as a defence anymore.
You can't use it as a charge anymore.
I don't have to. I have intelligence. I can put my ideas across in other ways.
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Post by T***@Chappaquiddick.Bridge
Then liberals are Nazis as they murder innocent
babies and defend the lives of criminal scum. See figure 1.
i'm anti-abortion. only Nazi's butcher the unborn.
Finally, something we can agree on.
Perhaps. But do you support murdering abortionists? I don't.
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Post by Pumba
retribution is a Nazi moral. it's a Nazi value.
Retribution pre-dates the Nazi's. Ever heard of Hammurabi's Code?
Yes. He was an asshole.

Retribution is completely without merit.

It's like John Howard (Aus PM) shaking his head in disbelief that young
Australians are not dissuaded from engaging in drug trafficking. He just
can't understand why people still do it, knowing what the dire consequences are.

But, John, let me take some time out from my busy schedule to 'plain it to
you in easy to understand terms.

Here's the thing, John. The War on Drugs is an ABSOLUTE failure. And the
reason is that people do not fear laws, no matter how draconian they are.
And the anti-drug laws ARE draconian. They're NAZI laws in fact. And anyone
who supports the War on Drugs is a NAZI.

If, after decades of war on drugs, you still haven't actually succeeded in
stemming the tide, doesn't that TELL you something?

If you are an intelligent sentient being, you will have insight into all
these difficult questions. You will have UNDERSTANDING. It's known in the
Bible as WISDOM.

I guess it's something, John, that you have not been gifted with. And you're
in good company.

So, no, no-one is stopping using drugs, because you say so. No one is
stopping trafficking them either, because you say so. WE THE PEOPLE DECIDE,
not YOU! Gettit? WE DECIDE! WE FUCKING DECIDE! WE DECIDE
EVERY-FUCKING-THING! You decide shit!

And the future is clear. Drug use will continue. Drug trafficking will not
cease. You might as well just come to terms with that reality, instead of
wasting resources futilely trying to prevent it.

ACCEPTANCE is key. Knowing your place is crucial. You SERVE us, you do not
dictate to us. If you don't understand that, why the fuck are you still here?

You can go now, John Howard. I'm done with you.
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Post by Pumba
retribution accomplishes absolutely nothing except more destruction.
It prevents further destruction. Lifers have murdered prison guards, having
nothing to fear for further sentencing. Putting the fuckers down would have
saved lives.
People with a life sentence are not necessary in for the rest of their
natural lives.

A life sentence should be no more than 25 years.

Personally, I don't see the value in imposing any particular length of jail
time.

A person goes to prison to be rehabilitated, not punished - according to my
model. Therefore they remain there only for as long as it takes for them to
be rehabilitated and not a moment longer.

Isn't that an incentive for prisoners to work hard on their program of
rehabilitation? Part of that program would be gaining some qualifications
and skills so that when they are released they can gain employment or
operate a business. Until they achieve that, they will remain incarcerated.

See, now, you're turning jail time into a positive. At the end of that, the
person can feel proud of their achievements. They turned themselves around.
They gained new skills, new insight, new life skills.

Punishment does not enter into the equation anymore.
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Post by Pumba
retribution is part of the problem. it solves nothing. it merely worsens the
problem.
Then you can gladly take all of America's death-row and life-sentence
prisoners. In fact, Africa can become the world's outsourced penal colony.
It worked for England to found Australia as a prison colony.
Provided you are willing to pay for us to rehabilitate them, that's
acceptable. And upon release, they return to their country of origin.

Under those terms, we can come to an arrangement.
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It's wrong.
It's wrong to torture, rape & murder the innocent.
Yes. But what can you do about it? It's happened already. You cannot undo it.
Kill the fucker that did it. He won't be a repeat offender. Next!
No, you may not violate a person's human rights.

Not under any circumstances.
Post by T***@Chappaquiddick.Bridge
Post by Pumba
You simply were not gifted with the requisite intelligence.
I was gifted with superior intelligence.
I see ZERO evidence of your intelligence.

I see a total fucking asshole writing the biggest load of immature horseshit.
Post by T***@Chappaquiddick.Bridge
I don't live in a third-world
That doesn't confer any intelligence on you.

In fact, it is clear from how you choose to express yourself that you are a
complete fucking moron.
Post by T***@Chappaquiddick.Bridge
Post by Pumba
Killing him accomplishes absolutely nothing.
It prevents the fucker from raping and murdering another innocent child.
So what? There's no shortage of supply of others willing to fill his shoes.

That's the problem, and it has no solution. Well, there are things to do,
but we can tell already that harsh punishments have no merit as solutions.

Crime rates are as high as they ever were.
Post by T***@Chappaquiddick.Bridge
Post by Pumba
Fact is, if you were the one tasked to do what you described to him, you
couldn't do it.
I would do it and do a happy dance afterward. In fact I would also run the
popcorn concession stand.
Well, if you can do it, then you are a NAZI. Well done.
Post by T***@Chappaquiddick.Bridge
Post by Pumba
And if you forced yourself to do it, you would be so emotionally scarred for
the rest of your life, that it would be as if you were a different person.
I would think of the blessed peace it would give to the family of the victim
he so savagely murdered.
They are NAZIs too for desiring the death of another man.

You cannot be a NAZI on MY planet! You'll have to find another planet to
live on if you want to be a NAZI. And even then, I might still have a
problem with you.
Post by T***@Chappaquiddick.Bridge
Post by Pumba
Think, goddamit! If you fucking can!
Get your fucking African head out of your ass and clean the shit out of your
eyes. Did that girl deserve to die? No. Where's your sympathy for the
victims and their families and THEIR human rights?
She's dead and buried. It's over. There's nothing more to be done for her now.

The family does not NEED anyone to die. They just WANT it. That makes them
NAZIs. That automatically disqualifies them from having my sympathy.
Post by T***@Chappaquiddick.Bridge
Post by Pumba
Why the fuck do u think those doctors can't inject him?
Because they're liberal pussies in the land of fruits, nuts and flakes, the
People's Republik of Kalifornia. You can have Kalifornia.
The wealthiest US state.
Post by T***@Chappaquiddick.Bridge
Post by Pumba
Because ACTUALLY killing a man is the most cruel punishment you can
administer to YOURSELF.
I suppose you would have given Saddam Hussein a rim job instead of yanking
his ass from a spider hole and tossing him in prison. I guess you look up to
a "man" that had innocent people tossed alive into plastic shredders.
Saddam Hussein should still be in power in Iraq. He should be
unconditionally released from custody and be allowed to live wherever he
chooses in Iraq without any conditions or check ups.

And the US, and all foreign forces should withdraw immediately from Iraq.

And they should pay Iraq and Saddam Hussein war reparations.

And Bush should be immediately relieved of command and placed in a dog pound.

And the US (and Britain) should swear to never invade another country ever
again. They may only defend themselves from being invaded.

Terrorism does not give any nation the right to invade another nation.

And Israel should be discontinued as a state. Hand ALL of Palestine over to
the Arabs. Cut ALL foreign AID to Israel immediately. As in yester decade.
Post by T***@Chappaquiddick.Bridge
Post by Pumba
You must not kill.
Tell that to the rapist fucker awaiting a death cocktail for torturing,
raping & murdering a 17 year old girl.
He was told already. He didn't listen. Because people don't listen.
Post by T***@Chappaquiddick.Bridge
He's not human, he forfeited his rights.
You are a NAZI. Only NAZIs refuse to accord people their FULL UNCONDITIONAL
HUMAN RIGHTS.
Post by T***@Chappaquiddick.Bridge
Post by Pumba
I am your intellectual superior.
You are a pimple on a gnat's ass. You don't have the brains that God gave a
box of cake mix. I've seen more intelligence in cat turds than has been
expressed in your pro-rapist diatribe.
As I was saying, I am your intellectual superior.

Are you handicapped? You seem unable to express yourself intelligently?
Post by T***@Chappaquiddick.Bridge
Gee, isn't that superior-people shit "Nazi thinking"? You're a Nazi!
If we decided that killing you because you are inferior, then we would be
NAZis and only then.
Post by T***@Chappaquiddick.Bridge
Post by Pumba
The US has always been a more racist country than South Africa ever was.
Including racists Louis Farrakhan, Jesse Jackson, Harry Belafonte, Al
Sharpton, Sheila Jackson Lee, Spike Lee, etc? Remember, it was black
Africans that sold black slaves to the Dutch. And "Apartheid" is also a
product of your history, and ended far more recently than over here.
The US is deeply racist to this day.
Post by T***@Chappaquiddick.Bridge
Post by Pumba
The average US citizen is more fascist than our most right wing political
movements.
Democrats are fascists. Republicans voted to end slavery and support the
Civil Rights act of the 1960's, an act opposed by Al Gore's Democrat father
and Democrat Robert KKK Byrd, former Grand Dragon of the Klan and leader of
the Democrats.
Since I am a South African, i'm not a Democrat. In fact, I'm a libertarian.
Post by T***@Chappaquiddick.Bridge
Post by Pumba
in this case, Movement = bowel movement.
A staple of the typical African diet and your posts.
*plonk*
Oh, I'm quite done with you too. You can go now.
--
Pumba, the warthog, from the Lion King
Yeah, I gotta cool blog too. Hey, Pumba has stuff to say!
http://www.capetownnews.co.za
Have a happy Pumbahed day!
h***@pjort.com
2006-02-23 14:42:21 UTC
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Post by Pumba
Only Nazis kill people in cold blood.
Only Nazi nations support having a death penalty.
Then the following nations must be nazi:

Afghanistan
Antigua and Barbuda
Bahamas
Bahrain
Bangladesh
Barbados
Belarus
Belize
Botswana
Burundi
Cameroon
Chad
China (People's Republic)
Comoros
Congo (Democratic Republic)
Cuba
Dominica
Egypt
Equatorial Guinea
Eritrea
Ethiopia
Gabon
Ghana
Guatemala
Guinea
Guyana
India
Indonesia
Iran
Iraq
Jamaica
Japan
Jordan
Kazakhstan
Korea, North
Korea, South
Kuwait
Kyrgyzstan
Laos
Lebanon
Lesotho
Liberia
Libya
Malawi
Malaysia
Mongolia
Nigeria
Oman
Pakistan
Palestinian Authority
Philippines
Qatar
Rwanda
St. Kitts and Nevis
St. Lucia
St. Vincent and the Grenadines
Saudi Arabia
Sierra Leone
Singapore
Somalia
Sudan
Swaziland
Syria
Taiwan
Tajikistan
Tanzania
Thailand
Trinidad and Tobago
Uganda
United Arab Emirates
United States
Uzbekistan
Vietnam
Yemen
Zambia
Zimbabwe


Source: http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0777460.html

My Site: http://hodja.wordpress.com


Mohammad with a lit bomb in his turban *-O)):~{>
Douglas D. Anderson
2006-02-23 20:49:29 UTC
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Post by h***@pjort.com
Afghanistan
Antigua and Barbuda
Bahamas ...
<snip>
Post by h***@pjort.com
Zimbabwe
Jeezus, now you've gone and invoked Godwin's law on half the feckin
world! Now we'll have to shut down all those communications satellites,
pull up the trans-oceanic cables, take away all those native jungle
drums... it might even mean an end to FRS...
Pumba
2006-02-24 14:25:42 UTC
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Post by h***@pjort.com
Post by Pumba
Only Nazis kill people in cold blood.
Only Nazi nations support having a death penalty.
they are.

you have Zimbabwe on the list. aaaaaah ha ha ha ha aha!!!

dumb yankeee
Post by h***@pjort.com
Afghanistan
Antigua and Barbuda
Bahamas
Bahrain
Bangladesh
Barbados
Belarus
Belize
Botswana
Burundi
Cameroon
Chad
China (People's Republic)
Comoros
Congo (Democratic Republic)
Cuba
Dominica
Egypt
Equatorial Guinea
Eritrea
Ethiopia
Gabon
Ghana
Guatemala
Guinea
Guyana
India
Indonesia
Iran
Iraq
Jamaica
Japan
Jordan
Kazakhstan
Korea, North
Korea, South
Kuwait
Kyrgyzstan
Laos
Lebanon
Lesotho
Liberia
Libya
Malawi
Malaysia
Mongolia
Nigeria
Oman
Pakistan
Palestinian Authority
Philippines
Qatar
Rwanda
St. Kitts and Nevis
St. Lucia
St. Vincent and the Grenadines
Saudi Arabia
Sierra Leone
Singapore
Somalia
Sudan
Swaziland
Syria
Taiwan
Tajikistan
Tanzania
Thailand
Trinidad and Tobago
Uganda
United Arab Emirates
United States
Uzbekistan
Vietnam
Yemen
Zambia
Zimbabwe
Source: http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0777460.html
My Site: http://hodja.wordpress.com
Mohammad with a lit bomb in his turban *-O)):~{>
--
Pumba, the warthog, from the Lion King
Yeah, I gotta cool blog too. Hey, Pumba has stuff to say!
http://www.capetownnews.co.za
Have a happy Pumbahed day!
b***@gmail.com
2006-02-27 02:48:38 UTC
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Post by h***@pjort.com
Post by Pumba
Only Nazis kill people in cold blood.
Only Nazi nations support having a death penalty.
Afghanistan
Antigua and Barbuda
Bahamas
Bahrain
Bangladesh
Barbados
Belarus
Belize
Botswana
Burundi
Cameroon
Chad
China (People's Republic)
Comoros
Congo (Democratic Republic)
Cuba
Dominica
Egypt
Equatorial Guinea
Eritrea
Ethiopia
Gabon
Ghana
Guatemala
Guinea
Guyana
India
Indonesia
Iran
Iraq
Jamaica
Japan
Jordan
Kazakhstan
Korea, North
Korea, South
Kuwait
Kyrgyzstan
Laos
Lebanon
Lesotho
Liberia
Libya
Malawi
Malaysia
Mongolia
Nigeria
Oman
Pakistan
Palestinian Authority
Philippines
Qatar
Rwanda
St. Kitts and Nevis
St. Lucia
St. Vincent and the Grenadines
Saudi Arabia
Sierra Leone
Singapore
Somalia
Sudan
Swaziland
Syria
Taiwan
Tajikistan
Tanzania
Thailand
Trinidad and Tobago
Uganda
United Arab Emirates
United States
Uzbekistan
Vietnam
Yemen
Zambia
Zimbabwe
Source: http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0777460.html
My Site: http://hodja.wordpress.com
Mohammad with a lit bomb in his turban *-O)):~{>
Are you serious Hodja? That list does not support your arguments.
Many of those countries have severe political, relidgeous and racial
violence. Some have had racial genocide not unlike Nazi Germany occur
in the past and continue to occur in Sudan.
Pumba
2006-02-27 15:12:27 UTC
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Post by h***@pjort.com
Post by Pumba
Only Nazis kill people in cold blood.
Only Nazi nations support having a death penalty.
Afghanistan
Antigua and Barbuda
Bahamas
Bahrain
Bangladesh
Barbados
Belarus
Belize
Botswana
Burundi
Cameroon
Chad
China (People's Republic)
Comoros
Congo (Democratic Republic)
Cuba
Dominica
Egypt
Equatorial Guinea
Eritrea
Ethiopia
Gabon
Ghana
Guatemala
Guinea
Guyana
India
Indonesia
Iran
Iraq
Jamaica
Japan
Jordan
Kazakhstan
Korea, North
Korea, South
Kuwait
Kyrgyzstan
Laos
Lebanon
Lesotho
Liberia
Libya
Malawi
Malaysia
Mongolia
Nigeria
Oman
Pakistan
Palestinian Authority
Philippines
Qatar
Rwanda
St. Kitts and Nevis
St. Lucia
St. Vincent and the Grenadines
Saudi Arabia
Sierra Leone
Singapore
Somalia
Sudan
Swaziland
Syria
Taiwan
Tajikistan
Tanzania
Thailand
Trinidad and Tobago
Uganda
United Arab Emirates
United States
Uzbekistan
Vietnam
Yemen
Zambia
Zimbabwe
Source: http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0777460.html
My Site: http://hodja.wordpress.com
Are you serious Hodja? That list does not support your arguments.
Many of those countries have severe political, relidgeous and racial
violence. Some have had racial genocide not unlike Nazi Germany occur
in the past and continue to occur in Sudan.
Hodja is not the brightest shining bulb.
--
Pumba, the warthog, from the Lion King
Yeah, I gotta cool blog too. Hey, Pumba has stuff to say!
http://www.capetownnews.co.za
Have a happy Pumbahed day!
Tim Bruening
2006-02-27 20:55:14 UTC
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Only Nazis kill people in cold blood.
Only Nazi nations support having a death penalty.
Do you support the death penalty?
If so, look in the mirror. Take a good hard long look at a Nazi. That's what
a Nazi looks like. YOU. Doesn't matter if you're Jewish. You're still of
the same mentality of a Nazi if you want others killed in cold blood.
~ ~ ~ block quote ~ ~ ~
Barbara Christian, the mother of Morales' victim, said she was angry and
disappointed by yet another postponement, which prison officials said would
last indefinitely.
"We just want to get this out of our heads and out of our lives," said
Christian. "The whole justice system, it's ridiculous... The victims are
going through more pain than the murderer."
~ ~ ~ end quote ~ ~ ~
You will never get over what that man did to your daughter. Never.
He is a monster for doing that.
You will never "move on" from this. It'll always be with you.
What happens to the killer should be divorced from your mind. Leave it in
the hands of God, if you believe in God. Or leave it to the Universe, if you
prefer that metaphor.
Just let it go what happens to him. It's not your problem anymore.
~ ~ ~ block quote ~ ~ ~
One of Morales' attorneys, Ben Weston, said the delay "goes a long way
toward demonstrating the state doesn't have its ducks in a row for humanely
killing a human being. They haven't figured out how to do it."
~ ~ ~ end quote ~ ~ ~
There is no way to humanely kill a man in cold blood.
It's wrong.
It's wrong what he did to the 17yo girl.
It's wrong to kill him.
A wrongful death cannot be rectified. It's not undoable. It's not atoneable.
I wonder how long it will take before Americans realise that having the
death penalty is a human rights violation?
Time to grow the FUCK up as a NATION, America!
You're behind South Africa even.
I agree with the above, except for the swear words. I too believe that
the death penalty should be terminated.
Pumba
2006-02-28 06:40:22 UTC
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Post by Pumba
Only Nazis kill people in cold blood.
Only Nazi nations support having a death penalty.
Do you support the death penalty?
If so, look in the mirror. Take a good hard long look at a Nazi. That's what
a Nazi looks like. YOU. Doesn't matter if you're Jewish. You're still of
the same mentality of a Nazi if you want others killed in cold blood.
~ ~ ~ block quote ~ ~ ~
Barbara Christian, the mother of Morales' victim, said she was angry and
disappointed by yet another postponement, which prison officials said would
last indefinitely.
"We just want to get this out of our heads and out of our lives," said
Christian. "The whole justice system, it's ridiculous... The victims are
going through more pain than the murderer."
~ ~ ~ end quote ~ ~ ~
You will never get over what that man did to your daughter. Never.
He is a monster for doing that.
You will never "move on" from this. It'll always be with you.
What happens to the killer should be divorced from your mind. Leave it in
the hands of God, if you believe in God. Or leave it to the Universe, if you
prefer that metaphor.
Just let it go what happens to him. It's not your problem anymore.
~ ~ ~ block quote ~ ~ ~
One of Morales' attorneys, Ben Weston, said the delay "goes a long way
toward demonstrating the state doesn't have its ducks in a row for humanely
killing a human being. They haven't figured out how to do it."
~ ~ ~ end quote ~ ~ ~
There is no way to humanely kill a man in cold blood.
It's wrong.
It's wrong what he did to the 17yo girl.
It's wrong to kill him.
A wrongful death cannot be rectified. It's not undoable. It's not atoneable.
I wonder how long it will take before Americans realise that having the
death penalty is a human rights violation?
Time to grow the FUCK up as a NATION, America!
You're behind South Africa even.
I agree with the above, except for the swear words. I too believe that
the death penalty should be terminated.
Vote ANC. That's my vote this Wednesday (tomorrow).
--
Pumba, the warthog, from the Lion King
Yeah, I gotta cool blog too. Hey, Pumba has stuff to say!
http://www.capetownnews.co.za
Have a happy Pumbahed day!
Tim Bruening
2006-02-28 07:48:24 UTC
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Post by Pumba
Post by Tim Bruening
Post by Pumba
Only Nazis kill people in cold blood.
Only Nazi nations support having a death penalty.
Do you support the death penalty?
If so, look in the mirror. Take a good hard long look at a Nazi. That's what
a Nazi looks like. YOU. Doesn't matter if you're Jewish. You're still of
the same mentality of a Nazi if you want others killed in cold blood.
~ ~ ~ block quote ~ ~ ~
Barbara Christian, the mother of Morales' victim, said she was angry and
disappointed by yet another postponement, which prison officials said would
last indefinitely.
"We just want to get this out of our heads and out of our lives," said
Christian. "The whole justice system, it's ridiculous... The victims are
going through more pain than the murderer."
~ ~ ~ end quote ~ ~ ~
You will never get over what that man did to your daughter. Never.
He is a monster for doing that.
You will never "move on" from this. It'll always be with you.
What happens to the killer should be divorced from your mind. Leave it in
the hands of God, if you believe in God. Or leave it to the Universe, if you
prefer that metaphor.
Just let it go what happens to him. It's not your problem anymore.
~ ~ ~ block quote ~ ~ ~
One of Morales' attorneys, Ben Weston, said the delay "goes a long way
toward demonstrating the state doesn't have its ducks in a row for humanely
killing a human being. They haven't figured out how to do it."
~ ~ ~ end quote ~ ~ ~
There is no way to humanely kill a man in cold blood.
It's wrong.
It's wrong what he did to the 17yo girl.
It's wrong to kill him.
A wrongful death cannot be rectified. It's not undoable. It's not atoneable.
I wonder how long it will take before Americans realise that having the
death penalty is a human rights violation?
Time to grow the FUCK up as a NATION, America!
You're behind South Africa even.
I agree with the above, except for the swear words. I too believe that
the death penalty should be terminated.
Vote ANC. That's my vote this Wednesday (tomorrow).
African National Congress?

Is South Africa having an election on the first day of Lent?

How can I vote for the African National Congress in California?
cogge
2006-03-14 16:54:16 UTC
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I wonder how long it will take before Americans realise that having the
death penalty is a human rights violation?
Time to grow the FUCK up as a NATION, America!
You're behind South Africa even.
I am sorry, but I don't know the structure of south africa's
government--is it socialist like UK? The reason I ask is because, IMO,
America's evils are nearly all caused by capitalism. The big businesses
and corporations control the government --which is about 7% of the
population, which everyone else is forced to pay more and more taxes to
susidize government. Everything in the world pretty much boils down to
economics--people are inherently greedy and will do all they can to keep
as much for themselves as they can. The death penalty is designed to
keep all the murderers from being "cared for" (food and shelter and free
medical care etc)with tax dollars. OTOH, life in prison is a pretty
dismal existence, and if it were me, I'd rather have the chair. A good
book by Helen Prejean called "Dead Man Walking" --which was also made
into a movie with Sean Penn--offers alot of food for thought about the
death penalty--she was opposed to it and she was actually able to
convince the victims father to be opposed to it (but not the mother)

cogge
Pumba
2006-03-15 08:39:27 UTC
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Post by Pumba
I wonder how long it will take before Americans realise that having the
death penalty is a human rights violation?
Time to grow the FUCK up as a NATION, America!
You're behind South Africa even.
I am sorry, but I don't know the structure of south africa's
government--is it socialist like UK?
no. limeyland sux. only knobheads wanna live there.
Post by cogge
The reason I ask is because, IMO,
America's evils are nearly all caused by capitalism.
it beats the hell outta communism.
Post by cogge
The big businesses
and corporations control the government --which is about 7% of the
population, which everyone else is forced to pay more and more taxes to
susidize government. Everything in the world pretty much boils down to
economics--people are inherently greedy and will do all they can to keep
as much for themselves as they can. The death penalty is designed to
keep all the murderers from being "cared for" (food and shelter and free
medical care etc)with tax dollars. OTOH, life in prison is a pretty
dismal existence, and if it were me, I'd rather have the chair.
the chair is not in operation in any state of the union.

you can opt for a firing squad in at least one state.

but it's pretty much all lethal injection now.
Post by cogge
A good
book by Helen Prejean called "Dead Man Walking" --which was also made
into a movie with Sean Penn--offers alot of food for thought about the
death penalty--she was opposed to it and she was actually able to
convince the victims father to be opposed to it (but not the mother)
cogge
bloodthirsty women are very unattractive.

i wouldn't even date a woman who supported the death penalty.

i am only attracted to soft, warm-hearted, compassionate women. not bitches
baying for blood.
--
Pumba, the warthog, from the Lion King
Yeah, I gotta cool blog too. Hey, Pumba has stuff to say!
http://www.capetownnews.co.za
Have a happy Pumbahed day!
cogge
2006-03-15 16:54:41 UTC
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Post by cogge
Post by Pumba
I wonder how long it will take before Americans realise that having the
death penalty is a human rights violation?
Time to grow the FUCK up as a NATION, America!
You're behind South Africa even.
I am sorry, but I don't know the structure of south africa's
government--is it socialist like UK?
no. limeyland sux. only knobheads wanna live there.
Post by cogge
The reason I ask is because, IMO, America's evils are nearly all
caused by capitalism.
it beats the hell outta communism.
Post by cogge
The big businesses and corporations control the government --which is
about 7% of the population, which everyone else is forced to pay more
and more taxes to susidize government. Everything in the world pretty
much boils down to economics--people are inherently greedy and will do
all they can to keep as much for themselves as they can. The death
penalty is designed to keep all the murderers from being "cared for"
(food and shelter and free medical care etc)with tax dollars. OTOH,
life in prison is a pretty dismal existence, and if it were me, I'd
rather have the chair.
the chair is not in operation in any state of the union.
you can opt for a firing squad in at least one state.
but it's pretty much all lethal injection now.
my state is hanging. A man was hung about 5 years ago or so for
murdering a 4 year old, his, mother, and her friend by choking them and
drowning them in the bathtub. He was a very large man and he tried to
argue that hanging was cruel and unusual punishment because his weight
would possibly (probably?) cause decapitation. He lost and they hung
him anyway. Just out of curiosity, Oregon has physician assisted
suicide--what is your opinion on that? Is that humane? Oregon was the
first legislative body in the entire world to legalize physician
assisted suicide, and then the netherlands was second. The death penalty
has been around forever--so does that mean the death penalty is more
acceptable? I find it odd that many religious people are opposed to
euthanasia on the grounds that only God can take a life, they are
against abortion for the same reason, yet many (most?) of those same
people are all for capital punishment. Its probably because they are
mostly republicans who are always in support of big businesses so that
rich people can make more money--back to the whole capitalism thing.

cogge
Father Haskell
2006-03-16 02:08:46 UTC
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Post by Pumba
the chair is not in operation in any state of the union.
Frying a criminal is just plain sick. Civilized folk leave the
body pretty for burial.
Post by cogge
Post by Pumba
you can opt for a firing squad in at least one state.
Utah. Gary Gilmore, 1976 or so. Last words: "Let's
do it." Last meal: dextroamphetamine sulfate.
Post by cogge
Post by Pumba
but it's pretty much all lethal injection now.
Now that's a tasteful execution. Strap him down like
jesus on the cross first, then just put him to sleep like
Fifi.
Post by cogge
my state is hanging. A man was hung about 5 years ago or so for
murdering a 4 year old, his, mother, and her friend by choking them and
drowning them in the bathtub. He was a very large man and he tried to
argue that hanging was cruel and unusual punishment because his weight
would possibly (probably?) cause decapitation. He lost and they hung
him anyway.
Did his head pop off like G.I. Joe's? Did it just sort of loll
forwards and
drop off, or did the neck snap, launching it like a spiked volleyball?
Post by cogge
Just out of curiosity, Oregon has physician assisted
suicide--what is your opinion on that? Is that humane? Oregon was the
first legislative body in the entire world to legalize physician
assisted suicide, and then the netherlands was second. The death penalty
has been around forever--so does that mean the death penalty is more
acceptable? I find it odd that many religious people are opposed to
euthanasia on the grounds that only God can take a life, they are
against abortion for the same reason, yet many (most?) of those same
people are all for capital punishment.
And enthusiastically so.

Fetch your damn bible and read. Is there any more godly justice than
killing the perps? Any system that allows eye-for-an-eye justice will
probably be based on religion.
Post by cogge
Its probably because they are
mostly republicans who are always in support of big businesses so that
rich people can make more money--back to the whole capitalism thing.
cogge
Tim Bruening
2006-03-16 08:31:57 UTC
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Post by Father Haskell
Post by Pumba
the chair is not in operation in any state of the union.
Frying a criminal is just plain sick. Civilized folk leave the
body pretty for burial.
Dear Father Haskell: What church do you preach at?
Douglas D. Anderson
2006-03-16 10:44:02 UTC
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Post by Tim Bruening
Post by Father Haskell
Post by Pumba
the chair is not in operation in any state of the union.
Frying a criminal is just plain sick. Civilized folk leave the
body pretty for burial.
Dear Father Haskell: What church do you preach at?
He's been de-frocked. The altar boys were getting to excited when
he came to Church in a frock.
Tim Bruening
2006-03-18 07:08:51 UTC
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Post by Douglas D. Anderson
Post by Tim Bruening
Post by Father Haskell
Post by Pumba
the chair is not in operation in any state of the union.
Frying a criminal is just plain sick. Civilized folk leave the
body pretty for burial.
Dear Father Haskell: What church do you preach at?
He's been de-frocked. The altar boys were getting to excited when
he came to Church in a frock.
Defrock: Demon that chucks out priests.
St. Jackanapes
2006-03-17 05:22:09 UTC
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In alt.flame.jesus.christ, Tim Bruening gagged twice and then spat
out...
Post by Tim Bruening
Post by Father Haskell
Post by Pumba
the chair is not in operation in any state of the union.
Frying a criminal is just plain sick. Civilized folk leave the
body pretty for burial.
Dear Father Haskell: What church do you preach at?
The one your pansy ass should be at.
--
St. Jackanapes ~
ULC Ordained Saint since 1999
http://www.jackanapes.ws
Douglas D. Anderson
2006-03-16 10:41:49 UTC
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Post by Father Haskell
Fetch your damn bible and read. Is there any more godly justice than
killing the perps? Any system that allows eye-for-an-eye justice will
probably be based on religion.
Pre-religion "justice" was far cooler. In the pre-Christian history
of Scotland people were imprisoned simply for posing an imagined
threat (Stalinesque paranoia) and had their eyes poked out in case
they tried to escape. That'd be cool today. If a convict agreed to
have his eyes poked out he could be released early... maybe in some
gang controlled ghetto 'hood. There's whole volumes of stuff in pre-
religion history about ingenious ways of saying "Stop that!"... like
skinning alive... it wasn't until religion came along that people
started getting cruel and inhuman.
Father Haskell
2006-03-16 23:38:16 UTC
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Post by Douglas D. Anderson
Post by Father Haskell
Fetch your damn bible and read. Is there any more godly justice than
killing the perps? Any system that allows eye-for-an-eye justice will
probably be based on religion.
Pre-religion "justice" was far cooler. In the pre-Christian history
of Scotland people were imprisoned simply for posing an imagined
threat (Stalinesque paranoia) and had their eyes poked out in case
they tried to escape. That'd be cool today. If a convict agreed to
have his eyes poked out he could be released early... maybe in some
gang controlled ghetto 'hood. There's whole volumes of stuff in pre-
religion history about ingenious ways of saying "Stop that!"... like
skinning alive... it wasn't until religion came along that people
started getting cruel and inhuman.
"Cruel and inhuman" pretty much means forced listening to
Josh Grogan.
Pumba
2006-03-17 03:36:08 UTC
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Post by Father Haskell
"Cruel and inhuman" pretty much means forced listening to
Josh Grogan.
oh hell, yeah.

between lethal injection and Josh Grogan, it's not a hard choice at
all.
Father Haskell
2006-03-17 03:40:05 UTC
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Post by Pumba
Post by Father Haskell
"Cruel and inhuman" pretty much means forced listening to
Josh Grogan.
oh hell, yeah.
between lethal injection and Josh Grogan, it's not a hard choice at
all.
Just untie my right arm. I'll finish the job myself.
Pumba
2006-03-17 05:05:17 UTC
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Post by Father Haskell
Post by Pumba
Post by Father Haskell
"Cruel and inhuman" pretty much means forced listening to
Josh Grogan.
oh hell, yeah.
between lethal injection and Josh Grogan, it's not a hard choice at
all.
Just untie my right arm. I'll finish the job myself.
you don't want the nun to finish sucking you off?
Father Haskell
2006-03-18 00:35:12 UTC
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Post by Pumba
Post by Father Haskell
Post by Pumba
Post by Father Haskell
"Cruel and inhuman" pretty much means forced listening to
Josh Grogan.
oh hell, yeah.
between lethal injection and Josh Grogan, it's not a hard choice at
all.
Just untie my right arm. I'll finish the job myself.
you don't want the nun to finish sucking you off?
Followed by Laura Bush.
Douglas D. Anderson
2006-03-18 01:19:50 UTC
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Post by Father Haskell
Followed by Laura Bush.
That's an odd paranoid fantasy.
Pumba
2006-03-18 12:55:35 UTC
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Post by Father Haskell
Post by Pumba
Post by Father Haskell
Post by Pumba
Post by Father Haskell
"Cruel and inhuman" pretty much means forced listening to
Josh Grogan.
oh hell, yeah.
between lethal injection and Josh Grogan, it's not a hard choice at
all.
Just untie my right arm. I'll finish the job myself.
you don't want the nun to finish sucking you off?
Followed by Laura Bush.
stop it! you're making me horny!
--
Pumba, the warthog, from the Lion King
Yeah, I gotta cool blog too. Hey, Pumba has stuff to say!
http://www.capetownnews.co.za
Have a happy Pumbahed day!
Mike
2006-03-18 13:18:47 UTC
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Post by Pumba
Post by Father Haskell
Post by Pumba
Post by Father Haskell
Post by Pumba
Post by Father Haskell
"Cruel and inhuman" pretty much means forced listening to
Josh Grogan.
oh hell, yeah.
between lethal injection and Josh Grogan, it's not a hard choice at
all.
Just untie my right arm. I'll finish the job myself.
you don't want the nun to finish sucking you off?
Followed by Laura Bush.
stop it! you're making me horny!
A mild breeze and a pic of an elephant in heat also does that to you.
--
Some people are like a Slinky.....not really good for anything, but you
still can't help but smile when you shove them down the stairs.
Pumba
2006-03-18 18:21:15 UTC
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Post by Mike
Post by Pumba
Post by Father Haskell
Post by Pumba
Post by Father Haskell
Post by Pumba
Post by Father Haskell
"Cruel and inhuman" pretty much means forced listening to
Josh Grogan.
oh hell, yeah.
between lethal injection and Josh Grogan, it's not a hard choice at
all.
Just untie my right arm. I'll finish the job myself.
you don't want the nun to finish sucking you off?
Followed by Laura Bush.
stop it! you're making me horny!
A mild breeze and a pic of an elephant in heat also does that to you.
well, i'd have to see a jpeg of that elephant first. is she pretty?
--
Pumba, the warthog, from the Lion King
Yeah, I gotta cool blog too. Hey, Pumba has stuff to say!
http://www.capetownnews.co.za
Have a happy Pumbahed day!
Jules
2006-03-18 22:41:15 UTC
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Post by Pumba
Post by Father Haskell
Post by Pumba
Post by Father Haskell
Post by Pumba
Post by Father Haskell
"Cruel and inhuman" pretty much means forced listening to
Josh Grogan.
oh hell, yeah.
between lethal injection and Josh Grogan, it's not a hard choice at
all.
Just untie my right arm. I'll finish the job myself.
you don't want the nun to finish sucking you off?
Followed by Laura Bush.
stop it! you're making me horny!
Ewwww...YOU stop it. You're making me feel sick!


Jule§
Pumba
2006-03-19 12:03:53 UTC
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Post by Jules
Post by Pumba
Post by Father Haskell
Post by Pumba
Post by Father Haskell
Post by Pumba
Post by Father Haskell
"Cruel and inhuman" pretty much means forced listening to
Josh Grogan.
oh hell, yeah.
between lethal injection and Josh Grogan, it's not a hard choice at
all.
Just untie my right arm. I'll finish the job myself.
you don't want the nun to finish sucking you off?
Followed by Laura Bush.
stop it! you're making me horny!
Ewwww...YOU stop it. You're making me feel sick!
Jule§
i'm picturing you in a blue dress.
--
Pumba, the warthog, from the Lion King
Yeah, I gotta cool blog too. Hey, Pumba has stuff to say!
http://www.capetownnews.co.za
Have a happy Pumbahed day!
Pumba
2006-03-18 13:10:31 UTC
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Post by cogge
Just out of curiosity, Oregon has physician assisted
suicide--what is your opinion on that?
i am cautiously for it.

certainly it should be ruled out for people who are clinically depressed.

when it comes to death, i believe we all have a duty to cling to life for as
long as we are able to. let it take us, rather than deliver ourselves unto it.
Post by cogge
Is that humane? Oregon was the
first legislative body in the entire world to legalize physician
assisted suicide, and then the netherlands was second. The death penalty
has been around forever--so does that mean the death penalty is more
acceptable?
i am against the death penalty.

i am against all forms of killing, really.
Post by cogge
I find it odd that many religious people are opposed to
euthanasia on the grounds that only God can take a life, they are
against abortion for the same reason, yet many (most?) of those same
people are all for capital punishment.
perhaps. each issue should be considered on its own, though.
Post by cogge
Its probably because they are
mostly republicans who are always in support of big businesses so that
rich people can make more money--back to the whole capitalism thing.
why not find out where you stand?

take the okcupid politics test.

www.okcupid.com - free online dating and cool tests.

that's not my site, btw. i just enjoy it so much, i like recommending it.

my okcupid id is pumbact.
--
Pumba, the warthog, from the Lion King
Yeah, I gotta cool blog too. Hey, Pumba has stuff to say!
http://www.capetownnews.co.za
Have a happy Pumbahed day!
cogge
2006-03-19 06:11:10 UTC
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Oregon has physician assisted suicide--what is
Post by Pumba
Post by cogge
your opinion on that?
certainly it should be ruled out for people who are clinically depressed.
]
why is that? the whole concept of "death with dignity" is to ease
unbearable suffering. Not people with situational depression or people
who just react in an extreme way to stressors, but people who seriously
are mentally ill and cannot bear each day of their life...how is that
mental anguish not justified to "end suffering" but a person in physical
pain (which btw is easier to medicate than mental suffering)can bail? I
took a business law class last semester and we studies the case of Nancy
Cruzan vs state (missippi? Missouri? I forget)she was the predecessor to
Terry Schiavo in the euthanasia due to chronic vegetative state. If you
read the manority and dissenting opinions, they both have equal merit,
but the majority opinion--which upheld the state courts denial of
euthanasia, the argument was that if the courts uphold a case based on a
quality of life issue, then they are defining quality of life as a legal
definition. This is a very dangerous thing to do, because the precedent
manner of common law would open the door for other cases which could be
easily abused. Does a certain amount of pain have to be there to define
poor quality of life? what about mental anguish as in major mental
disorders? what about neurological diseases like ALS and Parkinson's
where you lose the ability to swallow and have a G-tube and every nerve
in your body feels like bugs and worms crawling (as in Parkinson's) This
defining becomes difficult. I did a research paper on the Oregon law,
and the people who actually received lethal prescriptions mostly were
concerned about shitting themselves--as though that is the very worst
thing imaginable (not that I would recommend it!) I will go to your
recommended site and see what I get! :-)

cogge
Post by Pumba
when it comes to death, i believe we all have a duty to cling to life
for as long as we are able to. let it take us, rather than deliver
ourselves unto it.
Post by cogge
Is that humane? Oregon was the first legislative body in the entire
world to legalize physician assisted suicide, and then the netherlands
was second. The death penalty has been around forever--so does that
mean the death penalty is more acceptable?
i am against the death penalty.
i am against all forms of killing, really.
Post by cogge
I find it odd that many religious people are opposed to euthanasia on
the grounds that only God can take a life, they are against abortion
for the same reason, yet many (most?) of those same people are all for
capital punishment.
perhaps. each issue should be considered on its own, though.
Post by cogge
Its probably because they are mostly republicans who are always in
support of big businesses so that rich people can make more
money--back to the whole capitalism thing.
why not find out where you stand?
take the okcupid politics test.
www.okcupid.com - free online dating and cool tests.
that's not my site, btw. i just enjoy it so much, i like recommending it.
my okcupid id is pumbact.
Pumba
2006-03-19 13:23:07 UTC
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Post by cogge
Post by Pumba
Post by cogge
Oregon has physician assisted suicide--what is
your opinion on that?
certainly it should be ruled out for people who are clinically depressed.
why is that? the whole concept of "death with dignity" is to ease
unbearable suffering. Not people with situational depression or people
who just react in an extreme way to stressors, but people who seriously
are mentally ill and cannot bear each day of their life...
i don't support offering people suffering from depression a suicide option.
Post by cogge
how is that
mental anguish not justified to "end suffering" but a person in physical
pain (which btw is easier to medicate than mental suffering) can bail?
it is not a good idea.

imagine the additional anguish it would cause.

imagine the family of a depressed young person having to deal with the
reality that their depressed son or daughter has decided to be euthanized.
--
Pumba, the warthog, from the Lion King
Yeah, I gotta cool blog too. Hey, Pumba has stuff to say!
http://www.capetownnews.co.za
Have a happy Pumbahed day!
cogge
2006-03-19 16:43:52 UTC
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Post by Pumba
imagine the family of a depressed young person having to deal with the
reality that their depressed son or daughter has decided to be euthanized.
better than dealing with a botched suicide attempt--only like 6% of
suicides are actually successful. I know people who have attempted
multiple times and damaged their body and brain permanently. I am not
trying to argue, mind you--I really don't have a strong opinion--just
logically speaking, it seems a vague distinction--the notions of
suffering and quality of life.
Pumba
2006-03-19 17:34:39 UTC
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Post by cogge
Post by Pumba
imagine the family of a depressed young person having to deal with the
reality that their depressed son or daughter has decided to be euthanized.
better than dealing with a botched suicide attempt--only like 6% of
suicides are actually successful.
well, hooray for that!
Post by cogge
I know people who have attempted
multiple times and damaged their body and brain permanently. I am not
trying to argue, mind you--I really don't have a strong opinion--just
logically speaking, it seems a vague distinction--the notions of
suffering and quality of life.
i believe that it is the duty of society to talk people out of killing
themselves, not provide them with a mechanism to achieve a 100% successful
suicide.
--
Pumba, the warthog, from the Lion King
Yeah, I gotta cool blog too. Hey, Pumba has stuff to say!
http://www.capetownnews.co.za
Have a happy Pumbahed day!
cogge
2006-03-20 07:44:08 UTC
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Post by Pumba
Post by cogge
Post by Pumba
imagine the family of a depressed young person having to deal with
the reality that their depressed son or daughter has decided to be
euthanized.
better than dealing with a botched suicide attempt--only like 6% of
suicides are actually successful.
well, hooray for that!
Post by cogge
I know people who have attempted multiple times and damaged their body
and brain permanently. I am not trying to argue, mind you--I really
don't have a strong opinion--just logically speaking, it seems a vague
distinction--the notions of suffering and quality of life.
i believe that it is the duty of society to talk people out of killing
themselves, not provide them with a mechanism to achieve a 100%
successful suicide.
well I imagine that is consistant thinking from being so anti-death
penalty, but why are you still marginally in favor of the Oregon Death
with Dignity Act? I workin my experiences being with people when they
are dying, I have not yet seen anyone die in a way that was
"undignified" The big problem I have had with the ODD Act is that
presumes an attityude of disgust over the death process, which is--for
the most part--a very normal thing. I have considered it to be a
privilege when I have been with someone who has died, because I know
they weren't alone and I was the last person they were with before the
see God (or who-ever) It is a very humbling experience to be in that
position. The rhetoric behind the ODD act uses emotionalism to justify
getting doctors to kill their patients. Doctors are supposed to be healers.

cogge
ur_droll
2006-03-20 09:26:35 UTC
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Post by cogge
Post by Pumba
Post by cogge
Post by Pumba
imagine the family of a depressed young person having to deal with
the reality that their depressed son or daughter has decided to be
euthanized.
better than dealing with a botched suicide attempt--only like 6% of
suicides are actually successful.
well, hooray for that!
Post by cogge
I know people who have attempted multiple times and damaged their
body and brain permanently. I am not trying to argue, mind you--I
really don't have a strong opinion--just logically speaking, it seems
a vague distinction--the notions of suffering and quality of life.
i believe that it is the duty of society to talk people out of killing
themselves, not provide them with a mechanism to achieve a 100%
successful suicide.
well I imagine that is consistant thinking from being so anti-death
penalty, but why are you still marginally in favor of the Oregon Death
with Dignity Act? I workin my experiences being with people when they
are dying, I have not yet seen anyone die in a way that was
"undignified" The big problem I have had with the ODD Act is that
presumes an attityude of disgust over the death process, which is--for
the most part--a very normal thing. I have considered it to be a
privilege when I have been with someone who has died, because I know
they weren't alone and I was the last person they were with before the
see God (or who-ever) It is a very humbling experience to be in that
position. The rhetoric behind the ODD act uses emotionalism to justify
getting doctors to kill their patients. Doctors are supposed to be healers.
cogge
You after the boots or gold fillings?
cogge
2006-03-20 18:38:54 UTC
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Post by ur_droll
Post by cogge
Post by Pumba
Post by cogge
Post by Pumba
imagine the family of a depressed young person having to deal with
the reality that their depressed son or daughter has decided to be
euthanized.
better than dealing with a botched suicide attempt--only like 6% of
suicides are actually successful.
well, hooray for that!
Post by cogge
I know people who have attempted multiple times and damaged their
body and brain permanently. I am not trying to argue, mind you--I
really don't have a strong opinion--just logically speaking, it
seems a vague distinction--the notions of suffering and quality of
life.
i believe that it is the duty of society to talk people out of
killing themselves, not provide them with a mechanism to achieve a
100% successful suicide.
well I imagine that is consistant thinking from being so anti-death
penalty, but why are you still marginally in favor of the Oregon Death
with Dignity Act? I workin my experiences being with people when they
are dying, I have not yet seen anyone die in a way that was
"undignified" The big problem I have had with the ODD Act is that
presumes an attityude of disgust over the death process, which is--for
the most part--a very normal thing. I have considered it to be a
privilege when I have been with someone who has died, because I know
they weren't alone and I was the last person they were with before the
see God (or who-ever) It is a very humbling experience to be in that
position. The rhetoric behind the ODD act uses emotionalism to
justify getting doctors to kill their patients. Doctors are supposed
to be healers.
cogge
You after the boots or gold fillings?
huh?
Douglas D. Anderson
2006-03-20 21:48:07 UTC
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Post by ur_droll
Post by cogge
Post by Pumba
Post by cogge
Post by Pumba
imagine the family of a depressed young person having to deal with
the reality that their depressed son or daughter has decided to be
euthanized.
better than dealing with a botched suicide attempt--only like 6% of
suicides are actually successful.
well, hooray for that!
Post by cogge
I know people who have attempted multiple times and damaged their
body and brain permanently. I am not trying to argue, mind you--I
really don't have a strong opinion--just logically speaking, it
seems a vague distinction--the notions of suffering and quality of
life.
i believe that it is the duty of society to talk people out of
killing themselves, not provide them with a mechanism to achieve a
100% successful suicide.
well I imagine that is consistant thinking from being so anti-death
penalty, but why are you still marginally in favor of the Oregon
Death with Dignity Act? I workin my experiences being with people
when they are dying, I have not yet seen anyone die in a way that was
"undignified" The big problem I have had with the ODD Act is that
presumes an attityude of disgust over the death process, which
is--for the most part--a very normal thing. I have considered it to
be a privilege when I have been with someone who has died, because I
know they weren't alone and I was the last person they were with
before the see God (or who-ever) It is a very humbling experience to
be in that position. The rhetoric behind the ODD act uses
emotionalism to justify getting doctors to kill their patients.
Doctors are supposed to be healers.
cogge
You after the boots or gold fillings?
huh?
Are you familiar with the pioneering research of Dr. Josef Mengele?
cogge
2006-03-20 21:56:31 UTC
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Post by Douglas D. Anderson
Post by ur_droll
Post by cogge
Post by Pumba
Post by cogge
Post by Pumba
imagine the family of a depressed young person having to deal
with the reality that their depressed son or daughter has decided
to be euthanized.
better than dealing with a botched suicide attempt--only like 6%
of suicides are actually successful.
well, hooray for that!
Post by cogge
I know people who have attempted multiple times and damaged their
body and brain permanently. I am not trying to argue, mind you--I
really don't have a strong opinion--just logically speaking, it
seems a vague distinction--the notions of suffering and quality of
life.
i believe that it is the duty of society to talk people out of
killing themselves, not provide them with a mechanism to achieve a
100% successful suicide.
well I imagine that is consistant thinking from being so anti-death
penalty, but why are you still marginally in favor of the Oregon
Death with Dignity Act? I workin my experiences being with people
when they are dying, I have not yet seen anyone die in a way that
was "undignified" The big problem I have had with the ODD Act is
that presumes an attityude of disgust over the death process, which
is--for the most part--a very normal thing. I have considered it to
be a privilege when I have been with someone who has died, because I
know they weren't alone and I was the last person they were with
before the see God (or who-ever) It is a very humbling experience to
be in that position. The rhetoric behind the ODD act uses
emotionalism to justify getting doctors to kill their patients.
Doctors are supposed to be healers.
cogge
You after the boots or gold fillings?
huh?
Are you familiar with the pioneering research of Dr. Josef Mengele?
yes I am, but I stated that I was not in favor of killing old people, so
I was wondering why you would ask me if I was after gold
fillings--perhaps you weren't actually paying attention. That does
happen to people from time to time
Douglas D. Anderson
2006-03-20 22:07:04 UTC
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Post by cogge
Post by Douglas D. Anderson
Post by ur_droll
Post by cogge
Post by Pumba
Post by cogge
Post by Pumba
imagine the family of a depressed young person having to deal
with the reality that their depressed son or daughter has
decided to be euthanized.
better than dealing with a botched suicide attempt--only like 6%
of suicides are actually successful.
well, hooray for that!
Post by cogge
I know people who have attempted multiple times and damaged their
body and brain permanently. I am not trying to argue, mind you--I
really don't have a strong opinion--just logically speaking, it
seems a vague distinction--the notions of suffering and quality
of life.
i believe that it is the duty of society to talk people out of
killing themselves, not provide them with a mechanism to achieve a
100% successful suicide.
well I imagine that is consistant thinking from being so anti-death
penalty, but why are you still marginally in favor of the Oregon
Death with Dignity Act? I workin my experiences being with people
when they are dying, I have not yet seen anyone die in a way that
was "undignified" The big problem I have had with the ODD Act is
that presumes an attityude of disgust over the death process, which
is--for the most part--a very normal thing. I have considered it
to be a privilege when I have been with someone who has died,
because I know they weren't alone and I was the last person they
were with before the see God (or who-ever) It is a very humbling
experience to be in that position. The rhetoric behind the ODD act
uses emotionalism to justify getting doctors to kill their
patients. Doctors are supposed to be healers.
cogge
You after the boots or gold fillings?
huh?
Are you familiar with the pioneering research of Dr. Josef Mengele?
yes I am, but I stated that I was not in favor of killing old people, so
I was wondering why you would ask me if I was after gold
fillings--perhaps you weren't actually paying attention. That does
happen to people from time to time
I'm not the one whop asked you about gold fillings and boots, speaking of
not paying attention. :o)
cogge
2006-03-21 02:05:02 UTC
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Post by Douglas D. Anderson
Post by cogge
Post by Douglas D. Anderson
Post by ur_droll
Post by cogge
Post by Pumba
Post by cogge
Post by Pumba
imagine the family of a depressed young person having to deal
with the reality that their depressed son or daughter has
decided to be euthanized.
better than dealing with a botched suicide attempt--only like 6%
of suicides are actually successful.
well, hooray for that!
Post by cogge
I know people who have attempted multiple times and damaged
their body and brain permanently. I am not trying to argue, mind
you--I really don't have a strong opinion--just logically
speaking, it seems a vague distinction--the notions of suffering
and quality of life.
i believe that it is the duty of society to talk people out of
killing themselves, not provide them with a mechanism to achieve
a 100% successful suicide.
well I imagine that is consistant thinking from being so
anti-death penalty, but why are you still marginally in favor of
the Oregon Death with Dignity Act? I workin my experiences being
with people when they are dying, I have not yet seen anyone die in
a way that was "undignified" The big problem I have had with the
ODD Act is that presumes an attityude of disgust over the death
process, which is--for the most part--a very normal thing. I have
considered it to be a privilege when I have been with someone who
has died, because I know they weren't alone and I was the last
person they were with before the see God (or who-ever) It is a
very humbling experience to be in that position. The rhetoric
behind the ODD act uses emotionalism to justify getting doctors to
kill their patients. Doctors are supposed to be healers.
cogge
You after the boots or gold fillings?
huh?
Are you familiar with the pioneering research of Dr. Josef Mengele?
yes I am, but I stated that I was not in favor of killing old people,
so I was wondering why you would ask me if I was after gold
fillings--perhaps you weren't actually paying attention. That does
happen to people from time to time
I'm not the one whop asked you about gold fillings and boots, speaking of
not paying attention. :o)
I see. You responded to my HUH? with the comment about mengele and
I got all discombobulated. ;P
ur_droll
2006-03-21 07:51:18 UTC
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imagine the family of a depressed young person having to deal
with the reality that their depressed son or daughter has
decided to be euthanized.
better than dealing with a botched suicide attempt--only like
6% of suicides are actually successful.
well, hooray for that!
Post by cogge
I know people who have attempted multiple times and damaged
their body and brain permanently. I am not trying to argue,
mind you--I really don't have a strong opinion--just logically
speaking, it seems a vague distinction--the notions of
suffering and quality of life.
i believe that it is the duty of society to talk people out of
killing themselves, not provide them with a mechanism to achieve
a 100% successful suicide.
well I imagine that is consistant thinking from being so
anti-death penalty, but why are you still marginally in favor of
the Oregon Death with Dignity Act? I workin my experiences being
with people when they are dying, I have not yet seen anyone die
in a way that was "undignified" The big problem I have had with
the ODD Act is that presumes an attityude of disgust over the
death process, which is--for the most part--a very normal thing.
I have considered it to be a privilege when I have been with
someone who has died, because I know they weren't alone and I was
the last person they were with before the see God (or who-ever)
It is a very humbling experience to be in that position. The
rhetoric behind the ODD act uses emotionalism to justify getting
doctors to kill their patients. Doctors are supposed to be healers.
cogge
You after the boots or gold fillings?
huh?
Are you familiar with the pioneering research of Dr. Josef Mengele?
yes I am, but I stated that I was not in favor of killing old people,
so I was wondering why you would ask me if I was after gold
fillings--perhaps you weren't actually paying attention. That does
happen to people from time to time
I'm not the one whop asked you about gold fillings and boots, speaking of
not paying attention. :o)
I see. You responded to my HUH? with the comment about mengele and
I got all discombobulated. ;P
quite a task
Bill Colmers
2006-03-20 16:18:25 UTC
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"cogge" <***@verizon.net> wrote in message news:c3tTf.10536$***@trnddc04...

SNIP
. Doctors are supposed to be healers.
cogge
<pedantic mode> Briefly, the argument in favor of that is "If my life is not
my own, what rights have I? If yes, it is mine to dispose of as I see fit.
If no, I am nothing but a slave.

If my life is mine, I may do with it as I see fit, as long as I do not
infringe upon other's equally pressing rights (this does NOT include the
right not to be offended). If I am in pain and see no way out of my misery,
and ahve responsibly ought conventional relief for my pain, then I should
have the right to terminate my life. If I am unable to do so, then I should
be able to contract someone to help me carry out my freely chosed objective.
If nobody *wants* to help, then I am SOL, but if someone does, and the
circumstances are clear taht it is my choice. then what stops this from
happening is either squeamishness or a sad ministerpretation of some
intrusive Christian doctrine.

</Pedantic mode>

Enough, that topic ain't funny.

Bill
Pumba
2006-03-20 16:28:51 UTC
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imagine the family of a depressed young person having to deal with
the reality that their depressed son or daughter has decided to be
euthanized.
better than dealing with a botched suicide attempt--only like 6% of
suicides are actually successful.
well, hooray for that!
Post by cogge
I know people who have attempted multiple times and damaged their
body and brain permanently. I am not trying to argue, mind you--I
really don't have a strong opinion--just logically speaking, it seems
a vague distinction--the notions of suffering and quality of life.
i believe that it is the duty of society to talk people out of killing
themselves, not provide them with a mechanism to achieve a 100%
successful suicide.
well I imagine that is consistant thinking from being so anti-death
penalty, but why are you still marginally in favor of the Oregon Death
with Dignity Act?
I have no idea what the Oregon Death with Dignity Act states. I'm not in a
huge rush to find out either.

I am cautiously in favor of euthanasia. Very cautiously.

A society which accepts and encourages death, suicide and killing (albeit
only in certain circumstances) is not really a society i feel completely
comfortable living in.

for example, i am adamantly opposed to the death penalty and to abortion. i
do not even want legal abortion available to women who were raped (because
it is not the baby's crime).

i would hate euthanasia to be discussed like abortion is today, amongst
certain people. iow, a young woman falls pregnant and right off people start
suggesting she has an abortion - that's sick.

if euthanasia was suddenly legal, then when discussing an old woman in pain,
people might start suggesting that the family considers talking her into
euthanizing herself. imagine being old, in pain, running up medical bills,
and your family starts dropping hints to you that you kill yourself? how
absolutely destroyed and unloved would you feel?
Post by cogge
I workin my experiences being with people when they
are dying, I have not yet seen anyone die in a way that was
"undignified" The big problem I have had with the ODD Act is that
presumes an attityude of disgust over the death process, which is--for
the most part--a very normal thing. I have considered it to be a
privilege when I have been with someone who has died, because I know
they weren't alone and I was the last person they were with before the
see God (or who-ever) It is a very humbling experience to be in that
position. The rhetoric behind the ODD act uses emotionalism to justify
getting doctors to kill their patients. Doctors are supposed to be healers.
cogge
~ ~ ~ begin quote ~ ~ ~

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippocratic_Oath

The Hippocratic Oath

I swear by Apollo the physician, by Æsculapius, Hygeia, and Panacea, and I
take to witness all the gods, all the goddesses, to keep according to my
ability and my judgement, the following Oath.

"To consider dear to me as my parents him who taught me this art; to live in
common with him and if necessary to share my goods with him; To look upon
his children as my own brothers, to teach them this art if they so desire
without fee or written promise; to impart to my sons and the sons of the
master who taught me and the disciples who have enrolled themselves and have
agreed to the rules of the profession, but to these alone the precepts and
the instruction.

I will prescribe regimens for the good of my patients according to my
ability and my judgment and never do harm to anyone.

To please no one will I prescribe a deadly drug nor give advice which may
cause his death.

Nor will I give a woman a pessary to procure abortion.

But I will preserve the purity of my life and my art.

I will not cut for stone, even for patients in whom the disease is manifest;
I will leave this operation to be performed by practitioners, specialists in
this art.

In every house where I come I will enter only for the good of my patients,
keeping myself far from all intentional ill-doing and all seduction and
especially from the pleasures of love with women or with men, be they free
or slaves.

All that may come to my knowledge in the exercise of my profession or in
daily commerce with men, which ought not to be spread abroad, I will keep
secret and will never reveal.

If I keep this oath faithfully, may I enjoy my life and practice my art,
respected by all men and in all times; but if I swerve from it or violate
it, may the reverse be my lot."

~ ~ ~ end ~ ~ ~
--
Pumba, the warthog, from the Lion King
Yeah, I gotta cool blog too. Hey, Pumba has stuff to say!
http://www.capetownnews.co.za
Have a happy Pumbahed day!
Father Haskell
2006-03-21 01:15:40 UTC
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Post by Pumba
I have no idea what the Oregon Death with Dignity Act states. I'm not in a
huge rush to find out either.
I am cautiously in favor of euthanasia. Very cautiously.
A society which accepts and encourages death, suicide and killing (albeit
only in certain circumstances) is not really a society i feel completely
comfortable living in.
Well, move to Japan, I guess.
Post by Pumba
for example, i am adamantly opposed to the death penalty and to abortion. i
do not even want legal abortion available to women who were raped (because
it is not the baby's crime).
It will be treated as if it was. Severely so. Both the child AND the
mother's lives will be living hell.

The rapist, OTOH, will be released early for good beahvior.
Post by Pumba
i would hate euthanasia to be discussed like abortion is today, amongst
certain people. iow, a young woman falls pregnant and right off people start
suggesting she has an abortion - that's sick.
Like whom? I know I haven't. Nor has anyone else I know.
Post by Pumba
if euthanasia was suddenly legal, then when discussing an old woman in pain,
people might start suggesting that the family considers talking her into
euthanizing herself. imagine being old, in pain, running up medical bills,
and your family starts dropping hints to you that you kill yourself? how
absolutely destroyed and unloved would you feel?
I'd feel like I've just realized a great, previously unknown truism,
that
my family have been rotten all along.

I'd cut everyone from my will. Whatever family of negroes gets their
inheritance, I couldn't care less.
Post by Pumba
I swear by Apollo
Not last month, you didn't.
cogge
2006-03-21 02:09:53 UTC
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Post by Father Haskell
Like whom? I know I haven't. Nor has anyone else I know.
I found out I was pregnant from Planned Parenthood when I was 20. I was
engaged to be married, and though they asked me about all those things
before the test, the response was
its-positive-your-pregnant-do-you-want-an-abortion?

my oldest daughter is the most amazing person you could know (except she
is a bit lazy...) and they would not afford me 5 minutes to let things
sink in. Fortunately I happen to believe in being responsible and she
was not killed.

.
Post by Father Haskell
I'd cut everyone from my will. Whatever family of negroes gets their
inheritance, I couldn't care less.
hopefully your own children will learn from your wise example
Post by Father Haskell
I
Greg Evans
2006-03-21 04:29:49 UTC
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Post by cogge
I found out I was pregnant from Planned Parenthood when
I was 20.
Wow, those must have been some... *interesting* consultations!
Pumba
2006-03-21 10:01:25 UTC
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Post by cogge
Post by Father Haskell
Like whom? I know I haven't. Nor has anyone else I know.
I found out I was pregnant from Planned Parenthood when I was 20. I was
engaged to be married, and though they asked me about all those things
before the test, the response was its-positive-your-pregnant-do-you-want-an-abortion?
that person should have received 12 months in prison for incitement to
murder.

it should be assumed that the woman plans to carry to term. abortion
should only be discussed if the patient asks about it, and then the
discussion should be biased towards carrying the child to term.

ideally, repeal Roe vs Wade.

Abortion doctor is an oxymoron.

I don't advocate murdering them, but neither do I have any sympathy for
them if that happens.

annually, America aborts about 1.5 million babies. you can call that an
annual holocaust.
Post by cogge
my oldest daughter is the most amazing person you could know (except she
is a bit lazy...) and they would not afford me 5 minutes to let things
sink in. Fortunately I happen to believe in being responsible and she
was not killed.
good. :-)
cogge
2006-03-21 19:37:56 UTC
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Post by Pumba
Post by cogge
my oldest daughter is the most amazing person you could know (except she
is a bit lazy...) and they would not afford me 5 minutes to let things
sink in. Fortunately I happen to believe in being responsible and she
was not killed.
good. :-)
I am actually in a good position to have an accurate view of things
because I had a hard core feminist best friend in college, and I was
somewhat ambivalent, so I went to alot of "pro-choice" events and
campaigns and worked with them alot. Then the Planned Parenthood thing
totally shook me up and later I did some campaigning for a pro-life
organization that provides free clothes and baby items and classes to
pregnant women and support for them emotionally. Both groups have their
extremes, but at least the pro-life groups are more upfront about what
they really stand for and don't overtly and systematically trick women
into doing things.

FWIW, I think any attempt to repeal Roe V Wade is a wasted effort.
There are 900- million problems in the US that are important and require
attention--which could be addresses. The abortion issue is really like
swimming upstream--or even more like spinning your wheels on ice. Its
sad that it is an issue that has consumed our nation so much and gets so
much attention, yet nothing is really ever done one way or another--2
steps forward and one step back always. If more emphasis was placed on
education and addressing issues of poverty, the unwanted pregnancy rate
would naturally decline--and abstinence education--not necessarily from
a religious standpoint, but just don't do it until you are in a mature
adult relationship--or at least in a position to make responsible
decisions--not like a promiscuous 15 year old.

Pumba--how come we keep getting into these real serious topics? ;-P
say something amusing....! :-)
Pumba
2006-03-22 07:24:46 UTC
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Post by cogge
Pumba--how come we keep getting into these real serious topics?
YHBT. YHL. HAND.
a reasonable person reading my post would not conclude that it was a
"troll" posting.

but then, you're not a reasonable person.

iow, the reverse is true. you're in fact the troll.

you, Larry, Mos and peachy are all trolls.

none of what any of the 4 of you post, amount to anything worth
reading.

maybe i'll just sneck rec.humor from the newsgroups line in future.

clearly, you do not possess opinions or the intelligence to form
opinions on any meaty topic.

go back to talking about your usual tritenesses.

my bad for thinking i might post some interesting material into your
newsgroup.
Greg Evans
2006-03-22 12:48:36 UTC
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my bad for thinking i might post some interesting material
Yep, you've got a perfect Zero score so far.
Pumba
2006-03-22 15:28:01 UTC
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Post by Pumba
my bad for thinking i might post some interesting material
Yep, you've got a perfect Zero score so far.
i've yet to read an interesting article from you.

mostly all i do see from you and other rhers is lame ass single liners that
apparently passes for humor in rh.

not really worth getting up in the morning for.

i recall a few weeks back, summer complaining when you lame asses weren't
around in rh.

clearly a perfect candidate for involuntary euthanasia.

options on future time machine:

A. go back in time and abort your baby? { YES / NO }
B. rollback all of time to Mesolithic Stone Age? { HELL YES! }

eat up, bub, your bronto burger is getting cold!
--
Pumba, the warthog, from the Lion King
Yeah, I gotta cool blog too. Hey, Pumba has stuff to say!
http://www.capetownnews.co.za
Have a happy Pumbahed day!
Douglas D. Anderson
2006-03-22 20:34:20 UTC
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Post by Greg Evans
Post by Pumba
my bad for thinking i might post some interesting material
Yep, you've got a perfect Zero score so far.
i've yet to read an interesting article from you.
mostly all i do see from you and other rhers is lame ass single liners
that apparently passes for humor in rh.
I thought you spoke English. If you is going to keep writing like that
you be made honorary kaffir.
Post by Pumba
not really worth getting up in the morning for.
i recall a few weeks back, summer complaining when you lame asses
weren't around in rh.
clearly a perfect candidate for involuntary euthanasia.
A. go back in time and abort your baby? { YES / NO }
B. rollback all of time to Mesolithic Stone Age? { HELL YES! }
eat up, bub, your bronto burger is getting cold!
Pumba
2006-03-23 02:00:38 UTC
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Post by Douglas D. Anderson
Post by Pumba
Post by Greg Evans
Post by Pumba
my bad for thinking i might post some interesting material
Yep, you've got a perfect Zero score so far.
i've yet to read an interesting article from you.
mostly all i do see from you and other rhers is lame ass single liners
that apparently passes for humor in rh.
I thought you spoke English. If you is going to keep writing like that
you be made honorary kaffir.
correct my English. pleeeease!
Douglas D. Anderson
2006-03-23 10:42:57 UTC
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Post by Pumba
Post by Douglas D. Anderson
Post by Pumba
Post by Greg Evans
Post by Pumba
my bad for thinking i might post some interesting material
Yep, you've got a perfect Zero score so far.
i've yet to read an interesting article from you.
mostly all i do see from you and other rhers is lame ass single liners
that apparently passes for humor in rh.
I thought you spoke English. If you is going to keep writing like that
you be made honorary kaffir.
correct my English. pleeeease!
Alright then... "Mostly all I do see from you and other rhers /are/
lame ass single liners that apparently /pass/ for humor in rh." Also
relative pronoun /which/ would probably be a better choice than /that/
simply because "apparently /pass/ for humor" does not restrict "lame
ass one liners" but merely elaborates in a general sense.
Larry Krzewinski
2006-03-23 10:50:40 UTC
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On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 10:42:57 GMT, "Douglas D. Anderson"
Post by Douglas D. Anderson
Post by Pumba
correct my English. pleeeease!
Alright then... "Mostly all I do see from you and other rhers /are/
lame ass single liners that apparently /pass/ for humor in rh." Also
relative pronoun /which/ would probably be a better choice than /that/
simply because "apparently /pass/ for humor" does not restrict "lame
ass one liners" but merely elaborates in a general sense.
Don't encourage him, Doug.
Pumba
2006-03-23 12:24:58 UTC
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Post by Douglas D. Anderson
Post by Pumba
Post by Douglas D. Anderson
Post by Pumba
Post by Greg Evans
Post by Pumba
my bad for thinking i might post some interesting material
Yep, you've got a perfect Zero score so far.
i've yet to read an interesting article from you.
mostly all i do see from you and other rhers is lame ass single liners
that apparently passes for humor in rh.
I thought you spoke English. If you is going to keep writing like that
you be made honorary kaffir.
correct my English. pleeeease!
Alright then... "Mostly all I do see from you and other rhers /are/
lame ass single liners that apparently /pass/ for humor in rh." Also
relative pronoun /which/ would probably be a better choice than /that/
simply because "apparently /pass/ for humor" does not restrict "lame
ass one liners" but merely elaborates in a general sense.
1. mostly all i see from you is single liners that apparently passes for humor.

2. mostly all i see from you are single liners that apparently pass for humor.

3. mostly all i see from you is single liners that apparently pass for humor.

variation 2 is the correct form of English, yes.

variation 1 seems more humorous, though.

variation 3 reads well too.

the thing to consider is whether "single liners" is plural or singular.

a "block of single liners" is singular. that's how I'm reading rec.humor
posts - as a single block of single liners. they all kinda blur into one
dumb unfunny thing.
--
Pumba, the warthog, from the Lion King
Yeah, I gotta cool blog too. Hey, Pumba has stuff to say!
http://www.capetownnews.co.za
Have a happy Pumbahed day!
Douglas D. Anderson
2006-03-24 00:25:23 UTC
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Post by Pumba
Post by Douglas D. Anderson
Post by Pumba
Post by Douglas D. Anderson
Post by Pumba
Post by Greg Evans
Post by Pumba
my bad for thinking i might post some interesting material
Yep, you've got a perfect Zero score so far.
i've yet to read an interesting article from you.
mostly all i do see from you and other rhers is lame ass single liners
that apparently passes for humor in rh.
I thought you spoke English. If you is going to keep writing like that
you be made honorary kaffir.
correct my English. pleeeease!
Alright then... "Mostly all I do see from you and other rhers /are/
lame ass single liners that apparently /pass/ for humor in rh." Also
relative pronoun /which/ would probably be a better choice than /that/
simply because "apparently /pass/ for humor" does not restrict "lame
ass one liners" but merely elaborates in a general sense.
1. mostly all i see from you is single liners that apparently passes for humor.
2. mostly all i see from you are single liners that apparently pass for humor.
3. mostly all i see from you is single liners that apparently pass for humor.
variation 2 is the correct form of English, yes.
variation 1 seems more humorous, though.
variation 3 reads well too.
the thing to consider is whether "single liners" is plural or singular.
a "block of single liners" is singular. that's how I'm reading rec.humor
posts - as a single block of single liners. they all kinda blur into one
dumb unfunny thing.
The noun in that case is "block", which is singular, not "single liners".
Also "single liners /which/ apparently pass for humor" is better, because
the relative pronoun "that" properly indicates a restriction, e.g., "single
liners that suck", as in the case of Tim Bruening.
Pumba
2006-03-25 18:36:30 UTC
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Post by Douglas D. Anderson
Post by Pumba
Post by Douglas D. Anderson
Post by Pumba
Post by Douglas D. Anderson
Post by Pumba
Post by Greg Evans
Post by Pumba
my bad for thinking i might post some interesting material
Yep, you've got a perfect Zero score so far.
i've yet to read an interesting article from you.
mostly all i do see from you and other rhers is lame ass single
liners that apparently passes for humor in rh.
I thought you spoke English. If you is going to keep writing like that
you be made honorary kaffir.
correct my English. pleeeease!
Alright then... "Mostly all I do see from you and other rhers /are/
lame ass single liners that apparently /pass/ for humor in rh." Also
relative pronoun /which/ would probably be a better choice than /that/
simply because "apparently /pass/ for humor" does not restrict "lame
ass one liners" but merely elaborates in a general sense.
1. mostly all i see from you is single liners that apparently passes for humor.
2. mostly all i see from you are single liners that apparently pass for humor.
3. mostly all i see from you is single liners that apparently pass for humor.
variation 2 is the correct form of English, yes.
variation 1 seems more humorous, though.
variation 3 reads well too.
the thing to consider is whether "single liners" is plural or singular.
a "block of single liners" is singular. that's how I'm reading
rec.humor posts - as a single block of single liners. they all kinda
blur into one dumb unfunny thing.
The noun in that case is "block", which is singular, not "single liners".
Also "single liners /which/ apparently pass for humor" is better, because
the relative pronoun "that" properly indicates a restriction, e.g., "single
liners that suck", as in the case of Tim Bruening.
do you think that alt.english.usage is perhaps more your cup of tea?
--
Pumba, the warthog, from the Lion King
Yeah, I gotta cool blog too. Hey, Pumba has stuff to say!
http://www.capetownnews.co.za
Have a happy Pumbahed day!
Tim Bruening
2006-03-22 08:57:47 UTC
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Post by cogge
Post by Pumba
Post by cogge
my oldest daughter is the most amazing person you could know (except she
is a bit lazy...) and they would not afford me 5 minutes to let things
sink in. Fortunately I happen to believe in being responsible and she
was not killed.
good. :-)
I am actually in a good position to have an accurate view of things
because I had a hard core feminist best friend in college, and I was
somewhat ambivalent, so I went to alot of "pro-choice" events and
campaigns and worked with them alot. Then the Planned Parenthood thing
totally shook me up and later I did some campaigning for a pro-life
organization that provides free clothes and baby items and classes to
pregnant women and support for them emotionally. Both groups have their
extremes, but at least the pro-life groups are more upfront about what
they really stand for and don't overtly and systematically trick women
into doing things.
FWIW, I think any attempt to repeal Roe V Wade is a wasted effort.
There are 900- million problems in the US that are important and require
attention--which could be addresses. The abortion issue is really like
swimming upstream--or even more like spinning your wheels on ice. Its
sad that it is an issue that has consumed our nation so much and gets so
much attention, yet nothing is really ever done one way or another--2
steps forward and one step back always. If more emphasis was placed on
education and addressing issues of poverty, the unwanted pregnancy rate
would naturally decline--and abstinence education--not necessarily from
a religious standpoint, but just don't do it until you are in a mature
adult relationship--or at least in a position to make responsible
decisions--not like a promiscuous 15 year old.
Pumba--how come we keep getting into these real serious topics? ;-P
say something amusing....! :-)
"Something Amusing".
Pumba
2006-03-22 16:07:33 UTC
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Post by cogge
I am actually in a good position to have an accurate view of things
because I had a hard core feminist best friend in college, and I was
somewhat ambivalent, so I went to alot of "pro-choice" events and
campaigns and worked with them alot. Then the Planned Parenthood thing
totally shook me up and later I did some campaigning for a pro-life
organization that provides free clothes and baby items and classes to
pregnant women and support for them emotionally. Both groups have their
extremes, but at least the pro-life groups are more upfront about what
they really stand for and don't overtly and systematically trick women
into doing things.
pro-life is the clear moral choice.

pro-choice is bullshit. the entire platform is based on this one argument:

"women should decide what they do with their bodies and none other."

and that is in clear defiance of established laws all over the world.

for instance, the entire drug prohibition defies that. it states
unequivocally that we do not have carte blanche over our own bodies.

but, even if we amend that and develop a new human right that states that
each human being has sole and total control over what they decide for their
own bodies, that still does not address the pregnancy issue, because there
is another body involved.
Post by cogge
FWIW, I think any attempt to repeal Roe V Wade is a wasted effort.
well South Dakota does not share that opinion, and I am pleased about that.
Post by cogge
There
are 900- million problems in the US that are important and require
attention--which could be addresses. The abortion issue is really like
swimming upstream--or even more like spinning your wheels on ice. Its
sad that it is an issue that has consumed our nation so much and gets so
much attention, yet nothing is really ever done one way or another--2
steps forward and one step back always. If more emphasis was placed on
education and addressing issues of poverty, the unwanted pregnancy rate
would naturally decline
back in 2001 an extremely wealthy white South African woman of 36 that I
knew had an abortion.

a white Christian girl that I know had an abortion in 1997 when she fell
pregnant after an illicit affair. also wealthy of wealthy parents. she also
graduated from university and is a social worker.

these examples all directly contradict the idea that circumstance is what
motivates women to abort.

it might be a factor in some cases, but essentially abortion is simply this:

an extremely SELFISH act, done solely to spare a woman from the consequences
of her choices.

she's apparently "not ready" for a baby, but she's ready to fuck her brains
out. always.

it's all about her and her comforts.

as a man, if i got a woman pregnant, i would never suggest she abort. if she
didn't want it, i would suggest that she allow me to pay all her pregnancy
expenses and deliver the child to my care when it is born. but i would
encourage her to nurse it and love it. and i would go out of my way to
assist her during her pregnancy.
Post by cogge
--and abstinence education--not necessarily from
a religious standpoint, but just don't do it until you are in a mature
adult relationship--or at least in a position to make responsible
decisions--not like a promiscuous 15 year old.
sure. but i don't think the entire abstinence campaign has any hope of
making any impact whatsoever.
Post by cogge
Pumba--how come we keep getting into these real serious topics? ;-P
say something amusing....! :-)
if i think of anything amusing, i will put it in.
--
Pumba, the warthog, from the Lion King
Yeah, I gotta cool blog too. Hey, Pumba has stuff to say!
http://www.capetownnews.co.za
Have a happy Pumbahed day!
cogge
2006-03-23 06:29:39 UTC
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Post by Pumba
these examples all directly contradict the idea that circumstance is
what motivates women to abort.
statistically, like 30% of abortions are pure birth control, so you are
right on those counts. When I say that there are 900 other important
issues, that does not mean I don't still consider abortion wrong, but at
some point, people will reap the consequences of their actions.
Governments are not in a position to reasonably "police" every wrong
action--though they *do* seem bent on policing every wrong action of
*other* nations, but that goes back to your other point about the wealth
and whatnot.
Post by Pumba
she's apparently "not ready" for a baby, but she's ready to fuck her
brains out. always.
not always
Post by Pumba
it's all about her and her comforts.
I have often said if the abortion issue were ever to come to a final
compromise, that the man should have equal say in the process with the
tie breaker to be not to terminate the pregnancy. I also believe that
if men cannot have a say in the abortion, they should not be forced to
pay child support. It has always seemed so unfair to me. I also
believe minors should not be allowed to abort w/o parental consent.
Ultimately people should be responsible and recognize the life as being
a human being and not just fetal tissue, but sadly, I really do not
believe that will ever happen. I think it is ok to have beliefs and
ideals about the way things should be, but realizing that sometimes plan
B is in order, and it is often some sort of compromise.
Post by Pumba
as a man,
if i think of anything amusing, i will put it in.

nothing ever amuses you?
Pumba
2006-03-23 14:23:02 UTC
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Post by cogge
Post by Pumba
these examples all directly contradict the idea that circumstance is
what motivates women to abort.
statistically, like 30% of abortions are pure birth control, so you are
right on those counts.
30% of abortion is birth control? try 100%.

abortion is birth control and nothing else.
Post by cogge
When I say that there are 900 other important
issues, that does not mean I don't still consider abortion wrong, but at
some point, people will reap the consequences of their actions.
that's a total cop out.

it's looking the other way while genocide occurs.

abortion is nothing less than mass murder.

is there any other ONE thing that kills 1.5 million (or more) American annually?

who cares about the threat of terrorist attacks on the US, when terrorists
have not been able to kill even 10 000 Americans in the "best" year of their
operations?

in that respect, the radical groups that target abortion doctors (and staff)
for assassination could be described as fighting terrorism.

it all comes down to opinions and whose opinion is prevalent at any one time.

in a hypothetical future, where abortion has been banned and described as
"the worst example of human rights abuses ever let loose in America", the
people who "murdered" abortionists could well be pardoned (some
posthumously) and described as heroes in the fight against the tyranny of
abortion.

the thing about laws is that at the time they are in force, they are always
put forward with absolute sincerity with the expectation that they MUST be
absolutely respected and obeyed by everyone.

and then afterwards, when the counter opinions prevail and they are
repealed, their footnote in history changes to "oppressive law that should
never have been on the books". e.g. Apartheid in South Africa

that truth completely undermines the statement that "laws should always be
respected and obeyed." in fact, that is baloney. there are many laws that
are bad and should be resisted.
Post by cogge
Governments are not in a position to reasonably "police" every wrong
action--though they *do* seem bent on policing every wrong action of
*other* nations, but that goes back to your other point about the wealth
and whatnot.
as much as i would like to call for the immediate US withdrawal from Iraq,
that is no longer on the cards.

it's almost 3 years after US forces ousted Saddam Hussein's regime and the
situation in Iraq is now very much worse than it was back in 2003.

if the US were to withdraw now, the result might be a ravished country
devoid of all governance, with warlords roaming freely to plunder and
pillage, as is the case in Somalia now.

Somalia is so bad, that you can't even sail past their shores without a
naval escort lest you fall prey to Somalian pirates.

if the US went back into Somalia now, they'd literally have to kill almost
every single person there, because they're now mostly all rotten. [1]

ever watch Black Hawk Down? [2]

I don't think there was much point in trying to discriminate between a
non-combatant and a combatant (Somalian) - they all were prepared to pick up
a weapon to shoot an American.

Might as well just withdraw all your forces to a safe distance and carpet
bomb the entire country, then move in your ground forces to snuff out any
and all remaining resistance.

That's pretty much the situation in many African countries. Many (black)
African countries have governments which are *not able* to exert control
over every square inch of their country. Nigeria is one of them, the DRC
(Democratic Republic of Congo formerly known as Zaire) is another.

Not to mention Zimbabwe, and Kenya recently turned down food aid from a US
food producer, which manufactures pet food, even though the food aid they
offered would be fit for human consumption.

People in the West talk about democracy and every man deserving a vote, but
the reality is that in Africa, it is self evident that black governments are
unfit to govern.

When African countries were colonies and governed by Europeans, they worked.

The basic infrastructure was in place. Government was stable. Law and order
prevailed. The populations enjoyed peace. The average black citizen was
happy, well fed, clothed and housed.

However, the "elite" blacks, those in the upper class echelons, agitated for
power. And when they got it, they turned out to be corrupt thugs who didn't
give a shit about their citizens, only about enriching themselves.

So I am not an advocate for democracy and one man one vote in Africa. That
model does not work. Rule by a white "aristocracy" does work.

But of course, that is a completely disgraced and racist opinion. Nevermind
that it is the truth of the situation. That is irrelevant. It is more
important (to liberals) that black people starve to death (and retain their
vote) than they lose their vote and remain alive, well fed and able to
pursue their careers in a country which works.
Post by cogge
Post by Pumba
she's apparently "not ready" for a baby, but she's ready to fuck her
brains out. always.
not always
I have a hunch I'm right. The two women I used as examples were both very
keen on fucking their brains out. They just were not interested in dealing
with a child. Children were considered by both as an unnecessary
inconvenience to their hedonistic lifestyles.

Probably they should get their tubes tied.
Post by cogge
Post by Pumba
it's all about her and her comforts.
I have often said if the abortion issue were ever to come to a final
compromise, that the man should have equal say in the process with the
tie breaker to be not to terminate the pregnancy.
that cuts right across the feminist argument that a woman has sole
discretion to decide what she does with her own body.

they will never accept that the man have any say in the matter at all.
Post by cogge
I also believe that
if men cannot have a say in the abortion, they should not be forced to
pay child support. It has always seemed so unfair to me.
if the baby is aborted, there is no child support to pay.

if the child is carried to term and is not adopted, then child support must
be paid. child support is not paid by either parent in the case that it is
given up for adoption.

that is the status quo and it is acceptable.

what is not acceptable is if child support is payable but the parent has no
visitation rights.
Post by cogge
I also believe minors should not be allowed to abort w/o parental consent.
that's moot if abortion is outlawed outright, which is the best option.
Post by cogge
Ultimately people should be responsible and recognize the life as being
a human being and not just fetal tissue, but sadly, I really do not
believe that will ever happen.
oh, they know exactly what it is. they just don't care.

the arguments about how many cells it comprises is all nonsense.
Post by cogge
I think it is ok to have beliefs and
ideals about the way things should be, but realizing that sometimes plan
B is in order, and it is often some sort of compromise.
genocide is not an acceptable Plan B.
Post by cogge
Post by Pumba
if i think of anything amusing, i will put it in.
nothing ever amuses you?
you haven't been reading many of my posts then.

~ ~ ~ references ~ ~ ~

[1] Somali Militiamen Deny Shooting First

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060319/ap_on_re_af/somalia_us_pirates

MOGADISHU, Somalia - Somali militiamen who skirmished with
U.S. Navy vessels denied Sunday that they had fired the first shot, claiming
that they had been patrolling Somali waters to stop illegal fishing.

On Saturday, two U.S. Navy ships exchanged gunfire with the suspected
pirates off the coast of Somalia, killing one and wounding five. No U.S.
sailors were injured. The U.S. Navy's 5th Fleet said again on Sunday that
its ships did not fire first, disputing the militiamen's version.

"The Navy ship returned fire after being fired upon," fleet spokesman Lt.
Cmdr. Charlie Brown told The Associated Press.

The incident took place in international waters and the Navy took a dozen
suspects, including the wounded, into custody after the gunbattle.

Saleban Aadan Barqad, a spokesman for the militiamen, said a total of 27
Somali militiamen had been patrolling off the coast before the gunbattle.
Fourteen returned to shore safely, Barqad said on two-way radio from the
central Somali town of Harardhere.

The U.S. Navy opened fire first on the small utility boat, which was towing
a pair of skiffs, Barqad said. He said the boat then caught fire.

The militiamen, "were in an operation to protect the country's sea resources
from illicit exploitation by foreign vessels," Barqad said.

Geraad Mohamud, from the same militia group, said they would kill any
hostage they capture and would attack any ship unlawfully plying Somali
waters unless their men were released.

Brown said on Saturday that the shootout ensued after the Navy ships,
patrolling the area as part of a Dutch-led task force, spotted the suspect
30-foot-long fishing boat towing smaller skiffs and prepared to board and
inspect the vessels.

A statement from the Navy's Bahrain-based 5th Fleet said the suspected
pirates were holding what appeared to be rocket-propelled grenade launchers.

When the suspects began shooting, gunners on the American ships returned
fire with mounted machine guns, killing one man and igniting a fire on the
vessel.

The Navy boarding teams confiscated an RPG launcher and automatic weapons,
the statement said.

The Navy said the incident involving the Norfolk, Va.-based USS Cape St.
George and USS Gonzalez occurred approximately 25 nautical miles off the
Somali coast.

Piracy on Somali waters steeply increased last year, with the number of
incidents rising to 35, compared with only two in 2004, according to the
International Maritime Bureau. The increase in piracy included attacks on
vessels carrying food aid for Somalis and a cruise ship.

Somalia has not had a coast guard or navy since 1991 when warlords ousted a
dictatorship and then turned on each other.

The troubles facing Somalia's fledging 17-month-old transitional government,
including piracy, will be discussed at regional leaders' meeting Monday.

On Friday, Kenyan Foreign Affairs Minister Raphael Tuju renewed a call for a
peacekeeping mission to Somalia to help disarm the country's various militias.

On March 15, the U.N. Security Council encouraged naval forces operating off
Somalia to take action against suspected piracy. Pirate attacks against aid
ships have hindered U.N. efforts to provide relief to the victims of a
severe drought in the area.

[2] Black Hawk Down (movie)

http://imdb.com/title/tt0265086/
--
Pumba, the warthog, from the Lion King
Yeah, I gotta cool blog too. Hey, Pumba has stuff to say!
http://www.capetownnews.co.za
Have a happy Pumbahed day!
Tim Bruening
2006-03-25 08:19:41 UTC
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Post by Pumba
Post by cogge
There
are 900- million problems in the US that are important and require
attention--which could be addresses. The abortion issue is really like
swimming upstream--or even more like spinning your wheels on ice. Its
sad that it is an issue that has consumed our nation so much and gets so
much attention, yet nothing is really ever done one way or another--2
steps forward and one step back always. If more emphasis was placed on
education and addressing issues of poverty, the unwanted pregnancy rate
would naturally decline
back in 2001 an extremely wealthy white South African woman of 36 that I
knew had an abortion.
a white Christian girl that I know had an abortion in 1997 when she fell
pregnant after an illicit affair. also wealthy of wealthy parents. she also
graduated from university and is a social worker.
these examples all directly contradict the idea that circumstance is what
motivates women to abort.
Banning abortion won't stop those women. It will merely drive them underground.
Pumba
2006-03-25 14:00:47 UTC
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Post by Tim Bruening
Post by Pumba
Post by cogge
There are 900- million problems in the US that are important and require
attention--which could be addresses. The abortion issue is really like
swimming upstream--or even more like spinning your wheels on ice. Its
sad that it is an issue that has consumed our nation so much and gets so
much attention, yet nothing is really ever done one way or another--2
steps forward and one step back always. If more emphasis was placed on
education and addressing issues of poverty, the unwanted pregnancy rate
would naturally decline
back in 2001 an extremely wealthy white South African woman of 36 that I
knew had an abortion.
a white Christian girl that I know had an abortion in 1997 when she fell
pregnant after an illicit affair. also wealthy of wealthy parents. she also
graduated from university and is a social worker.
these examples all directly contradict the idea that circumstance is what
motivates women to abort.
Banning abortion won't stop those women. It will merely drive them underground.
it's correct to state that a law against abortion will not stop
abortions taking place, in the same way that murder is not eliminated
by the laws against it.

i used to think that the high incidence of mortality in illegal
backstreet abortions justified legalizing abortion.

i don't think that anymore. now i consider that to be a consequence a
woman must accept if she sets about destroying her child.

if she has a legitimate medical problem caused by her pregnancy, she
can present herself to be medically assessed, and if the pregnancy is
injurious to her health, it can be terminated.

as for rape, i do not believe that the child should be killed because
of the crime of its father.
Douglas D. Anderson
2006-03-25 14:14:18 UTC
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Post by Pumba
Post by Tim Bruening
Post by Pumba
Post by cogge
There are 900- million problems in the US that are important and require
attention--which could be addresses. The abortion issue is really like
swimming upstream--or even more like spinning your wheels on ice. Its
sad that it is an issue that has consumed our nation so much and gets so
much attention, yet nothing is really ever done one way or another--2
steps forward and one step back always. If more emphasis was placed on
education and addressing issues of poverty, the unwanted pregnancy rate
would naturally decline
back in 2001 an extremely wealthy white South African woman of 36 that I
knew had an abortion.
a white Christian girl that I know had an abortion in 1997 when she fell
pregnant after an illicit affair. also wealthy of wealthy parents. she also
graduated from university and is a social worker.
these examples all directly contradict the idea that circumstance is what
motivates women to abort.
Banning abortion won't stop those women. It will merely drive them underground.
it's correct to state that a law against abortion will not stop
abortions taking place, in the same way that murder is not eliminated
by the laws against it.
i used to think that the high incidence of mortality in illegal
backstreet abortions justified legalizing abortion.
i don't think that anymore. now i consider that to be a consequence a
woman must accept if she sets about destroying her child.
if she has a legitimate medical problem caused by her pregnancy, she
can present herself to be medically assessed, and if the pregnancy is
injurious to her health, it can be terminated.
as for rape, i do not believe that the child should be killed because
of the crime of its father.
So basically you are saying that you used to let a rigid structure of
prejudice and stereotype substitute for thought, but after an abundance
of contradictory evidence your world view collapsed and left you confused
and uncertain, not knowing what to think or who to turn to. So you left
everything behind, renouncing the world and all of its glittering illusions,
and wandered aimlessly through bleak and dreary streets and back roads,
seeking truth and yet fearing your own shadow at every corner. When all
looked totally bleak and lost, and the world seemed like a cosmic comedy
of errors inhabited by fools, you saw a light up ahead, a sign which said,
"Internet Service, dial-up and ISDN, call for rates." and you knew in a
flash this was the answer you were looking for, where your destiny beckoned.
Pumba
2006-03-25 18:44:39 UTC
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Post by Douglas D. Anderson
Post by Pumba
Post by Tim Bruening
Post by Pumba
Post by cogge
There are 900- million problems in the US that are important and require
attention--which could be addresses. The abortion issue is really like
swimming upstream--or even more like spinning your wheels on ice. Its
sad that it is an issue that has consumed our nation so much and gets so
much attention, yet nothing is really ever done one way or another--2
steps forward and one step back always. If more emphasis was placed on
education and addressing issues of poverty, the unwanted pregnancy
rate would naturally decline
back in 2001 an extremely wealthy white South African woman of 36 that I
knew had an abortion.
a white Christian girl that I know had an abortion in 1997 when she fell
pregnant after an illicit affair. also wealthy of wealthy parents. she also
graduated from university and is a social worker.
these examples all directly contradict the idea that circumstance is what
motivates women to abort.
Banning abortion won't stop those women. It will merely drive them underground.
it's correct to state that a law against abortion will not stop
abortions taking place, in the same way that murder is not eliminated
by the laws against it.
i used to think that the high incidence of mortality in illegal
backstreet abortions justified legalizing abortion.
i don't think that anymore. now i consider that to be a consequence a
woman must accept if she sets about destroying her child.
if she has a legitimate medical problem caused by her pregnancy, she
can present herself to be medically assessed, and if the pregnancy is
injurious to her health, it can be terminated.
as for rape, i do not believe that the child should be killed because
of the crime of its father.
So basically you are saying that you used to let a rigid structure of
prejudice and stereotype substitute for thought, but after an abundance
of contradictory evidence your world view collapsed and left you confused
and uncertain, not knowing what to think or who to turn to. So you left
everything behind, renouncing the world and all of its glittering illusions,
and wandered aimlessly through bleak and dreary streets and back roads,
seeking truth and yet fearing your own shadow at every corner. When all
looked totally bleak and lost, and the world seemed like a cosmic comedy
of errors inhabited by fools, you saw a light up ahead, a sign which said,
"Internet Service, dial-up and ISDN, call for rates." and you knew in a
flash this was the answer you were looking for, where your destiny beckoned.
something like that.
--
Pumba, the warthog, from the Lion King
Yeah, I gotta cool blog too. Hey, Pumba has stuff to say!
http://www.capetownnews.co.za
Have a happy Pumbahed day!
Pumba
2006-03-27 14:23:42 UTC
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really?? So what could you do to me?? ;-P
Massage your thighs for starters.....
now is that before tequila or after--cuz usually guys
need the help of alcohol to get things moving--
also, if you are really 19 years old--that's a bit
creepy. that would make you 5 years older than my
daughter
Mos is a creep.

he got his ass kicked out of atj (back when he was an even punker kid
in early 2004), and he still cries about it.

summer and peachpit seem to like him. i can't stand the little fuck.
neither can most (if not all) other atjers.

about a year ago, a female atjer pissed him off and in retaliation he
posted her physical address on Usenet - something that she had
entrusted him with.

so Mos is a cunt, a creep and a dipshit who can't be trusted to do
anything but stab you in the back.

FYI many serial killers and rapists start their careers young (in their
early 20s) and Mos is studying criminal forensics (or so he claims).

it doesn't take a genius to figure out why.

he also refuses to publish his real name online and has concocted a
bullshit story that he is under US government protection (Witness
Protection Program).

he also claimed to connect to the Internet via satellite link (and
therefore, according to his addled reasoning, he could be anywhere in
the US).

in Dec 2005, i published the truth about him (that he uses a dialup
connection and that he stays in Colorado Springs, Colorado), which he
refused to acknowledge. I see now that he is finally acknowledging that
he is on dialup.

all you need to know about Mos is this really:

he's a yellow bellied fuckwit. a boring piece of garbage.
Pumba
2006-03-27 15:32:32 UTC
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Massage your thighs for starters.....
I knew there must be some such connection--the graduate
was before my time. You know Dustin Hoffman is pretty
old. The first thing I ever saw him in was Tootsie.
Oh, sorry, I wasn't paying attention.
My mind is still on that earler comment.....
ha ha ha. Just a tip--since your youth may not have afforded you with
the kind of experience you'll have in a few more years--massaging
nipples is 100X more effective. Some women have been known ( a very
elite few mind you)to have spontaneous O's from nipple stim. I aspire
to join those ranks....
are you pretty?
--
Pumba, the warthog, from the Lion King
Yeah, I gotta cool blog too. Hey, Pumba has stuff to say!
http://www.capetownnews.co.za
Have a happy Pumbahed day!
Tim Bruening
2006-03-22 08:55:36 UTC
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Post by Pumba
Post by cogge
Post by Father Haskell
Like whom? I know I haven't. Nor has anyone else I know.
I found out I was pregnant from Planned Parenthood when I was 20. I was
engaged to be married, and though they asked me about all those things
before the test, the response was its-positive-your-pregnant-do-you-want-an-abortion?
that person should have received 12 months in prison for incitement to
murder.
it should be assumed that the woman plans to carry to term. abortion
should only be discussed if the patient asks about it, and then the
discussion should be biased towards carrying the child to term.
ideally, repeal Roe vs Wade.
Abortion doctor is an oxymoron.
I don't advocate murdering them, but neither do I have any sympathy for
them if that happens.
annually, America aborts about 1.5 million babies. you can call that an
annual holocaust.
Post by cogge
my oldest daughter is the most amazing person you could know (except she
is a bit lazy...) and they would not afford me 5 minutes to let things
sink in. Fortunately I happen to believe in being responsible and she
was not killed.
good. :-)
I recently saw a letter to the editor with the following suggestion:

I: Set up a special court in which women can request abortions.

II: The court would grant such requests, unless one person objects.

III: That person would then have to either provide financial support for the baby, or adopt
said baby (at the choice of the mother). I expect that churches all over America would go
all out to raise money to save fetuses. I wonder how much it would cost to intercept all
1.5 million abortions.
cogge
2006-03-23 06:31:41 UTC
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Post by Tim Bruening
Post by Pumba
Post by cogge
Post by Father Haskell
Like whom? I know I haven't. Nor has anyone else I know.
I found out I was pregnant from Planned Parenthood when I was 20. I was
engaged to be married, and though they asked me about all those things
before the test, the response was its-positive-your-pregnant-do-you-want-an-abortion?
that person should have received 12 months in prison for incitement to
murder.
it should be assumed that the woman plans to carry to term. abortion
should only be discussed if the patient asks about it, and then the
discussion should be biased towards carrying the child to term.
ideally, repeal Roe vs Wade.
Abortion doctor is an oxymoron.
I don't advocate murdering them, but neither do I have any sympathy for
them if that happens.
annually, America aborts about 1.5 million babies. you can call that an
annual holocaust.
Post by cogge
my oldest daughter is the most amazing person you could know (except she
is a bit lazy...) and they would not afford me 5 minutes to let things
sink in. Fortunately I happen to believe in being responsible and she
was not killed.
good. :-)
I: Set up a special court in which women can request abortions.
II: The court would grant such requests, unless one person objects.
III: That person would then have to either provide financial support for the baby, or adopt
said baby (at the choice of the mother). I expect that churches all over America would go
all out to raise money to save fetuses. I wonder how much it would cost to intercept all
1.5 million abortions.
or how about a court where women go to request abortions, and the price
they pay for such a request is surgical sterilization. That way the
consequences of irresponsible behavior will make people think twice
about their choices.

where do you think the 10 dead babies in the garbage can came from.
Pumba
2006-03-23 14:51:08 UTC
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Post by cogge
Post by Tim Bruening
Post by Pumba
Post by cogge
Post by Father Haskell
Like whom? I know I haven't. Nor has anyone else I know.
I found out I was pregnant from Planned Parenthood when I was 20. I
was engaged to be married, and though they asked me about all those things
before the test, the response was its-positive-your-pregnant-do-you-want-an-abortion?
that person should have received 12 months in prison for incitement to
murder.
it should be assumed that the woman plans to carry to term. abortion
should only be discussed if the patient asks about it, and then the
discussion should be biased towards carrying the child to term.
ideally, repeal Roe vs Wade.
Abortion doctor is an oxymoron.
I don't advocate murdering them, but neither do I have any sympathy for
them if that happens.
annually, America aborts about 1.5 million babies. you can call that an
annual holocaust.
Post by cogge
my oldest daughter is the most amazing person you could know (except
she is a bit lazy...) and they would not afford me 5 minutes to let things
sink in. Fortunately I happen to believe in being responsible and she
was not killed.
good. :-)
I: Set up a special court in which women can request abortions.
II: The court would grant such requests, unless one person objects.
III: That person would then have to either provide financial support
for the baby, or adopt
said baby (at the choice of the mother). I expect that churches all
over America would go
all out to raise money to save fetuses. I wonder how much it would cost to intercept all
1.5 million abortions.
or how about a court where women go to request abortions, and the price
they pay for such a request is surgical sterilization. That way the
consequences of irresponsible behavior will make people think twice
about their choices.
that's like allowing a rapist to go to court to apply to rape someone
provided they agree to getting their balls chopped off afterwards.

someone still gets hurt.
Post by cogge
where do you think the 10 dead babies in the garbage can came from.
1.5 million babies per annum - flushed. in America alone.

and it's actually worse than that. 1.5 million is the number of surgical
abortions.

the pill contributes its own death toll. apparently, the pill does not
always prevent fertilization. but it does prevent the fertilized ovum from
implanting itself in the womb. so it dies.

there are some who consider that situation a chemical abortion.
--
Pumba, the warthog, from the Lion King
Yeah, I gotta cool blog too. Hey, Pumba has stuff to say!
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2006-03-25 19:36:13 UTC
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Post by Tim Bruening
I: Set up a special court in which women can request abortions.
II: The court would grant such requests, unless one person objects.
III: That person would then have to either provide financial support for the baby, or adopt
said baby (at the choice of the mother). I expect that churches all over America would go
all out to raise money to save fetuses. I wonder how much it would cost to intercept all
1.5 million abortions.
or how about a court where women go to request abortions, and the price
they pay for such a request is surgical sterilization. That way the
consequences of irresponsible behavior will make people think twice
about their choices.
where do you think the 10 dead babies in the garbage can came from.
Since they're babies now instead of fetuses, probably murdered by the
boyfriend.
Pumba
2006-03-24 15:37:29 UTC
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Post by Tim Bruening
Post by Pumba
Post by cogge
Post by Father Haskell
Like whom? I know I haven't. Nor has anyone else I know.
I found out I was pregnant from Planned Parenthood when I was 20. I was
engaged to be married, and though they asked me about all those things
before the test, the response was
its-positive-your-pregnant-do-you-want-an-abortion?
that person should have received 12 months in prison for incitement to
murder.
it should be assumed that the woman plans to carry to term. abortion
should only be discussed if the patient asks about it, and then the
discussion should be biased towards carrying the child to term.
ideally, repeal Roe vs Wade.
Abortion doctor is an oxymoron.
I don't advocate murdering them, but neither do I have any sympathy for
them if that happens.
annually, America aborts about 1.5 million babies. you can call that an
annual holocaust.
Post by cogge
my oldest daughter is the most amazing person you could know (except she
is a bit lazy...) and they would not afford me 5 minutes to let things
sink in. Fortunately I happen to believe in being responsible and she
was not killed.
good. :-)
I: Set up a special court in which women can request abortions.
II: The court would grant such requests, unless one person objects.
might as well have a similar procedure then for people to apply to
commit murder, rape, theft etc.
Post by Tim Bruening
III: That person would then have to either provide financial support for the baby, or
adopt said baby (at the choice of the mother).
so, iow, you absolve the mother (and father) from all personal
responsibility for having the child?

i mean, a third party, who was not even present at the "scene of the
crime", i.e. the copulation, is somehow responsible (for the baby) if
they disagree with the mother killing her child?

but in any case, yes, i'm sure that there are many people all over the
world who would rather assume responsibility for a child, if the
alternative was that it was going to be killed by its parents.

problem is, there seems to be real obstacles standing in the way of
helping all the people out there born into a world without love and
care for them.
Post by Tim Bruening
I expect that churches all over America
would go all out to raise money to save fetuses. I wonder how much it would cost to
intercept all 1.5 million abortions.
i really don't know, but I am sure people do calculate these kinds of
things.

for that matter, there are millions more starving, desperate children
in Africa who just end up dying because help never reaches them.

and people who do wish to care for these poor wretches, and travel
there in person, run a high risk of being butchered by the local
savages.

e.g. Somalia, Iraq

I don't believe anyone can or should be expected to risk their own
lives to help people in need. The security situation must be resolved
first. And in the meantime, people continue to die.

It's a very sad situation.
Tim Bruening
2006-03-22 08:50:17 UTC
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Post by cogge
Post by Father Haskell
Like whom? I know I haven't. Nor has anyone else I know.
I found out I was pregnant from Planned Parenthood when I was 20. I was
engaged to be married, and though they asked me about all those things
before the test, the response was
its-positive-your-pregnant-do-you-want-an-abortion?
my oldest daughter is the most amazing person you could know (except she
is a bit lazy...) and they would not afford me 5 minutes to let things
sink in. Fortunately I happen to believe in being responsible and she
was not killed.
Did you then marry the father?
Pumba
2006-03-26 16:53:16 UTC
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Nothing I do is illegal and/or immoral
Then you're not trying very hard!
As a general rule, *hard* is not something to which I aspire
I can't afford the setup fee on this one, either.
You *could* . . . you'd have to go deep, though
just stopping by rec.humor.

i see no-one here has anything interesting to say, as per usual.

i think it's time to hit <unsubscribe>.
Pumba
2006-03-27 14:43:27 UTC
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well I appreciate your discretion, I really do--now tell me some stuff
about everyone *else* !!
Larry is . . . Larry
Larry is a cunt.
MosNot is . . . not Mos (no matter what Larry says)
Mos is a cunt.

Summer is a lonely angry uptight lamer.
Pumba
2006-03-27 14:46:45 UTC
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well I appreciate your discretion, I really do--now tell me some
stuff about everyone *else* !!
what about you? R U an aussie/kiwi?
She's an enigma. Strong powerful wise and determined.
And so humble she doesn't believe any of what I just said.
she's as boring as rat shit.
Pumba
2006-03-27 15:01:58 UTC
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Talk to anybody that claims they like raw oysters,
and they never mention eating them without
a bunch of sause of some kind on them.
<serious>
Wrong! Too much sauce hides the delicate flavor. Just a *teeny touch* of
added condiment is all that's needed. Now, having said that, I admit I've
had some raw oysters that, though they were "fresh", needed a bit more
condiment to deal with their less than stellar flavor. No, I didn't get
sick, but where the oysters lived has a lot to do with how tasty they are.
Some oysters are only fit to be steamed or put in a stew.
you were sucking "oysters" from yer granny's cunt, weren'tcha?
Pumba
2006-03-22 15:48:07 UTC
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Post by Father Haskell
Post by Pumba
I have no idea what the Oregon Death with Dignity Act states. I'm not in a
huge rush to find out either.
I am cautiously in favor of euthanasia. Very cautiously.
A society which accepts and encourages death, suicide and killing (albeit
only in certain circumstances) is not really a society i feel completely
comfortable living in.
Well, move to Japan, I guess.
THAT'S NOT FUNNY!!
Post by Father Haskell
Post by Pumba
for example, i am adamantly opposed to the death penalty and to abortion. i
do not even want legal abortion available to women who were raped (because
it is not the baby's crime).
It will be treated as if it was. Severely so. Both the child AND the
mother's lives will be living hell.
well, seriously, if you're living amongst assholes who do not offer you and
your child 100% loving support, that's a clear indicator to get the hell
outta there and go live someplace else where ppl are progressive.

like South Africa, for instance.
Post by Father Haskell
The rapist, OTOH, will be released early for good beahvior.
if he promises to rape in a more loving manner in future, probably yes.
Post by Father Haskell
Post by Pumba
i would hate euthanasia to be discussed like abortion is today, amongst
certain people. iow, a young woman falls pregnant and right off people start
suggesting she has an abortion - that's sick.
Like whom? I know I haven't. Nor has anyone else I know.
well i didn't imply that you did. you're a good man... i think.
Post by Father Haskell
Post by Pumba
if euthanasia was suddenly legal, then when discussing an old woman in pain,
people might start suggesting that the family considers talking her into
euthanizing herself. imagine being old, in pain, running up medical bills,
and your family starts dropping hints to you that you kill yourself? how
absolutely destroyed and unloved would you feel?
I'd feel like I've just realized a great, previously unknown truism,
that my family have been rotten all along.
I'd cut everyone from my will. Whatever family of negroes gets their
inheritance, I couldn't care less.
you should care. you should get them to parade a lineup of worthy negroes
and pick the one you want.

"okay, can y'all turn to the left now?"
Post by Father Haskell
Post by Pumba
I swear by Apollo
Not last month, you didn't.
i've never sworn by Apollo actually.

btw, which Roman Emperor do you think Bush II most closely resembles?
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Tim Bruening
2006-03-22 08:48:01 UTC
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Post by cogge
Post by Pumba
Post by cogge
Oregon has physician assisted suicide--what is
your opinion on that?
certainly it should be ruled out for people who are clinically depressed.
why is that? the whole concept of "death with dignity" is to ease
unbearable suffering. Not people with situational depression or people
who just react in an extreme way to stressors, but people who seriously
are mentally ill and cannot bear each day of their life...
i don't support offering people suffering from depression a suicide option.
Post by cogge
how is that
mental anguish not justified to "end suffering" but a person in physical
pain (which btw is easier to medicate than mental suffering) can bail?
it is not a good idea.
imagine the additional anguish it would cause.
imagine the family of a depressed young person having to deal with the
reality that their depressed son or daughter has decided to be euthanized.
Imagine them filing a lawsuit to keep their son or daughter from being
euthanized!
Pumba
2006-03-24 15:05:21 UTC
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Post by Pumba
Post by cogge
Post by Pumba
Post by cogge
Oregon has physician assisted suicide--what is
your opinion on that?
certainly it should be ruled out for people who are clinically depressed.
why is that? the whole concept of "death with dignity" is to ease
unbearable suffering. Not people with situational depression or people
who just react in an extreme way to stressors, but people who seriously
are mentally ill and cannot bear each day of their life...
i don't support offering people suffering from depression a suicide option.
Post by cogge
how is that
mental anguish not justified to "end suffering" but a person in physical
pain (which btw is easier to medicate than mental suffering) can bail?
it is not a good idea.
imagine the additional anguish it would cause.
imagine the family of a depressed young person having to deal with the
reality that their depressed son or daughter has decided to be euthanized.
Imagine them filing a lawsuit to keep their son or daughter from being
euthanized!
and then imagine them losing like in the case of Terry Schiavo, whose
evil, greedy husband petitioned the court to kill her.
cogge
2006-03-19 06:26:47 UTC
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Post by Pumba
why not find out where you stand?
take the okcupid politics test.
my score said I was socially moderate at 55% and economically liberal,
best described as a democrat--which surprises me a little bit, because I
have been siding with the state level republicans recently. This is
because I consider tort reform to be extremely important, and the state
needs to pass laws regulating insurance companies from screwing everyone
while the lawyers get sloppy seconds. The malpractice insurance is
very high so then people sue doctors for every hang nail and then the
cost of health care goes up --then our ins. premiums go up and the
insurance co takes all the money and laughs maniacally. If it weren't
for the republicans trying to push tort reform in out state (which is
vote the most litigious state in the union!) I would not be so
interested in their ideologies. My degree is in sociology, so I have
studied politics and economics alot--and I *do* find them toi be very
fascinating!

cogge
Pumba
2006-03-19 13:31:28 UTC
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Post by Pumba
why not find out where you stand?
take the okcupid politics test.
my score said I was socially moderate at 55% and economically liberal,
best described as a democrat
mine:

You are a Social Liberal (71% permissive)
and an...
Economic Conservative (66% permissive)
You are best described as a:
Libertarian
You exhibit a very well-developed sense of Right and Wrong and believe in
economic fairness.
Post by cogge
--which surprises me a little bit, because I
have been siding with the state level republicans recently. This is
because I consider tort reform to be extremely important, and the state
needs to pass laws regulating insurance companies from screwing everyone
while the lawyers get sloppy seconds. The malpractice insurance is
very high so then people sue doctors for every hang nail and then the
cost of health care goes up --then our ins. premiums go up and the
insurance co takes all the money and laughs maniacally. If it weren't
for the republicans trying to push tort reform in out state (which is
vote the most litigious state in the union!) I would not be so
interested in their ideologies. My degree is in sociology, so I have
studied politics and economics alot--and I *do* find them toi be very
fascinating!
cogge
good luck.
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George
2006-03-15 16:43:10 UTC
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Post by cogge
Post by Pumba
I wonder how long it will take before Americans realise that having the
death penalty is a human rights violation?
Time to grow the FUCK up as a NATION, America!
You're behind South Africa even.
I am sorry, but I don't know the structure of south africa's
government--is it socialist like UK? The reason I ask is because, IMO,
America's evils are nearly all caused by capitalism. The big businesses
and corporations control the government --which is about 7% of the
population, which everyone else is forced to pay more and more taxes to
susidize government. Everything in the world pretty much boils down to
economics--people are inherently greedy and will do all they can to keep
as much for themselves as they can. The death penalty is designed to
keep all the murderers from being "cared for" (food and shelter and free
medical care etc)with tax dollars.
Is this true?

I had read that the cost of an execution was greater than warehousing
the guy for the rest of his life.

Plus, I think that the death penalty is more like emotional
retribution than economic efficiency. It's sort of like saying to the
guy: "We're really going to punish you big time. We're going to kill
you for the rest of your life. After we kill you and you're dead, then
you're going to be so sorry that you [raped/murdered/etc]!"
Post by cogge
OTOH, life in prison is a pretty
dismal existence, and if it were me, I'd rather have the chair.
Aye.

The other thing is that the guy who gets the death sentence gets the
best exit strategy from life of any of us.

Most of us don't just die in our sleep one night. Most of us suffer
the indignity of American medical care for a progressive illness that
slowly saps your will, your mind, your money and your friends and
family.

You get to lie in a bed in a nursing home for months as renal failure
decimates your body. And all you are to the minimum wage nursing
assistants is a royal pain in the ass. You get to spend your free time
contemplate your one-way ticket to inevitable demise.

Give me a good lethal injection over that any day.
Post by cogge
A good
book by Helen Prejean called "Dead Man Walking" --which was also made
into a movie with Sean Penn--offers alot of food for thought about the
death penalty--she was opposed to it and she was actually able to
convince the victims father to be opposed to it (but not the mother)
cogge
cogge
2006-03-15 17:03:24 UTC
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Post by George
Post by cogge
Post by Pumba
I wonder how long it will take before Americans realise that having the
death penalty is a human rights violation?
Time to grow the FUCK up as a NATION, America!
You're behind South Africa even.
I am sorry, but I don't know the structure of south africa's
government--is it socialist like UK? The reason I ask is because, IMO,
America's evils are nearly all caused by capitalism. The big businesses
and corporations control the government --which is about 7% of the
population, which everyone else is forced to pay more and more taxes to
susidize government. Everything in the world pretty much boils down to
economics--people are inherently greedy and will do all they can to keep
as much for themselves as they can. The death penalty is designed to
keep all the murderers from being "cared for" (food and shelter and free
medical care etc)with tax dollars.
Is this true?
I had read that the cost of an execution was greater than warehousing
the guy for the rest of his life.
I believe the reason for that is that people don't get sentenced and
then executed very often--they get sentenced and appeal and retried and
then sentenced and appealed etc. I read a statistic somewhere listing
the average Death Row stay to be in the range of a couple of decades.
The book The Chamber by John Grisham, though it is fiction, is based on
his own experience as a lawyer, and it portrays a man being executed in
his 70's for a crime he committed when he was in his late 20's. Death
Row costs a whole lot more money to maintain than regular prison because
the security is much higher as well as a few other differences. So
ultimately it *is* more expensive, but mainly because the court of
appeals system ties things up so badly.
Also, I think that everything is so polarized--people are always on one
extreme or another and with every argument the poles are pushed farther
out. John Irving writes some good books where he asks these moral
questions and neither typical answer work and so people need to think
about things in gray instead of black or white.

cogge
Pumba
2006-03-18 13:32:26 UTC
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Post by cogge
I believe the reason for that is that people don't get sentenced and
then executed very often--they get sentenced and appeal and retried and
then sentenced and appealed etc. I read a statistic somewhere listing
the average Death Row stay to be in the range of a couple of decades.
The book The Chamber by John Grisham, though it is fiction, is based on
his own experience as a lawyer, and it portrays a man being executed in
his 70's for a crime he committed when he was in his late 20's.
yes, and that scenario is not contrived. Texas executed Karla Faye Tucker 8
years ago on Feb 3 1998. She was 38 years old. She had committed murder when
she was 23 years old.

governor asked to show mercy:
http://www.cnn.com/US/9801/15/texas.execution/

her final statement:
http://www.cnn.com/US/9802/03/tucker.text/index.html

her death notice:
http://www.cnn.com/US/9802/03/tucker.executed/index.html

This is what Bush II said:

~ ~ ~ quote ~ ~ ~
Her fate then rested with Gov. George W. Bush, who refused to delay the
execution with a one-time, 30-day reprieve, saying her case had been
thoroughly reviewed by appellate courts.

"Like many touched by this case, I have sought guidance through prayer. I
have concluded judgment about the heart and soul of an individual on death
row are best left to a higher authority," Bush said.

"May God bless Karla Faye Tucker and God bless her victims and their
families," he said.
~ ~ ~ end ~ ~ ~

and that is the man that America wanted as president. twice!

kill yerselves!
Post by cogge
Death
Row costs a whole lot more money to maintain than regular prison because
the security is much higher as well as a few other differences. So
ultimately it *is* more expensive, but mainly because the court of
appeals system ties things up so badly.
Also, I think that everything is so polarized--people are always on one
extreme or another and with every argument the poles are pushed farther
out. John Irving writes some good books where he asks these moral
questions and neither typical answer work and so people need to think
about things in gray instead of black or white.
oh, it's so clear what the right decision is.

ban the death penalty. permanently.

there is only one reason to put people in prison:

to rehabilitate them for later release.

my emotions, though, want Bush II in prison for life because i hate him so much!
--
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Yeah, I gotta cool blog too. Hey, Pumba has stuff to say!
http://www.capetownnews.co.za
Have a happy Pumbahed day!
ynotssor
2006-03-15 18:29:48 UTC
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Post by George
I had read that the cost of an execution was greater than warehousing
the guy for the rest of his life.
Only because of all the goddamned lawyers that get involved.
Pumba
2006-03-18 13:02:08 UTC
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Post by George
Give me a good lethal injection over that any day.
you can slap back a bottle of whiskey, sleeping tablets and wrap plastic
film around your head as you pass out.

of course, i wouldn't do that. killing yourself is the most extreme example
of self hate, and i don't hate myself. i love myself. despite all my faults,
i'm still a great guy and there are people who want me alive.
--
Pumba, the warthog, from the Lion King
Yeah, I gotta cool blog too. Hey, Pumba has stuff to say!
http://www.capetownnews.co.za
Have a happy Pumbahed day!
Ærchie
2006-02-28 11:14:26 UTC
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The curfew had been lifted and the gamblin' wheel shut down, Anyone with
any sense had already left town. Yet Tim Bruening was standin' in the
Post by Tim Bruening
I agree with the above, except for the swear words. I too believe that
the death penalty should be terminated.
Who the fuck asked you? You are not permitted to have an opinion. Anyone
with your lack of ability as a punster should not even be permitted to
live.

Please go away and strangulate your hernia.

atj help desk
Tim Bruening
2006-03-01 07:48:48 UTC
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Post by Ærchie
The curfew had been lifted and the gamblin' wheel shut down, Anyone with
any sense had already left town. Yet Tim Bruening was standin' in the
Post by Tim Bruening
I agree with the above, except for the swear words. I too believe that
the death penalty should be terminated.
Who the fuck asked you? You are not permitted to have an opinion. Anyone
with your lack of ability as a punster should not even be permitted to
live.
Please go away and strangulate your hernia.
How do I strangulate my hernia?

What does my punning ability have to do with my political intelligence?
b***@dodo.com.au
2006-03-15 10:05:06 UTC
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Be careful Tim. The death penalty is in force for strangulating
hernias.

"Pruning" is the ability to pull a face that looks like a prune. This
is a necessary skill for politicians who have been caught out lying and
need time to think how they're going to get around the inevitable
comeback.
i***@nospam.gmail.nospam.com
2006-03-16 00:49:02 UTC
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Post by Tim Bruening
I agree with the above, except for the swear words. I too believe that
the death penalty should be terminated.
You want to kill the death penalty?!?!?! YOU NAZI!

:)

I.
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Pumba
2006-03-26 17:11:43 UTC
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wasabi is Japanese.
My mother in law is Japanese. I actually cook Japanese quite alot
because that is my husband's fav. (he grew up with it) his mom is not
very americanized--she doesn't even like to speak English. Sits in
front of her satellite tv watching Japanese tv and hanging out with all
her Seattle Tacoma friends who are Japanese. She's whacked. She was in
Japan during WWII and she moved here in the 50's (she old--like 79 or
something) and people were mean to her for being Japanese. I think she
needs medication
she was 18 when Americans unleashed a 2 bomb nuclear holocaust on
Japan.

i think i'd also be pretty whacked out by that, especially if i was now
residing in the enemy land.

give her all the meds she wants.

try crack. at her age, who gives a fuck?

when i was attending NA meetings, i knew this nice chick in her mid 30s
who was divorced, had a young son and bounced around using crack here
and there and selling her body from time to time.

i hope she is doing okay today. i can't remember her first name
anymore, it was about 6 years ago now.

anyway, one day she came into an NA meeting and told us all that her
father had been arrested in possession of crack cocaine. he was 80
years old. apparently he had started using crack because he was curious
why his daughter was addicted to it.

the cops at the police station he was taken to, decided to just release
him due to his age. they dropped the charges too.

at 80, you can get away with loads of shit, i guess. maybe he should
start robbing banks?
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